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andmcit wrote:I'm surprised there's corrosion on the one to the left of the picture
- are these supposed to be new?

This particular sphere is different to the other two in the fact that the throat
where the sphere threads is totally open and doesn't have an inserted 'jet'
that is effectively the damper for the flow of fluid into the sphere and
against the nitrogen gas pocket inside. This particular design is never fitted
to the corners of the car, only in the position of the hydractive centre sphere
at either axle and the main gearbox mounted accumulator/regulator sphere.

This also means the other two which appear to match are corner spheres.
I cannot tell from the picture just by looking at them if they're the exact type
for hydractive mind although this will be a smaller size diameter to non
hydractive! Have you managed to check the feed pipe on your actual car
to confirm which suspension system it uses?

On the second two spheres, are there any stamped figures on the silver disc
where the 'jet' into the sphere is - Citroen as standard practice put the
measurement on this end disc astride the opening as a 0.7, 1.1 etc
measurement.

Additional markings are sometimes stamped on the outer crown of the
sphere just off the "nipple" top which indicate the pressure in "bar"
that's inside from new. If the sphere is an aftermarket one there's a
good possibility of black dot printed serial numbers or even labels on
the sphere to allow specific version recognition - otherwise the spheres
will tend to all look the same at a casual glance.

Andrew
Yeah, they are supposed to be new, I was also suprised when I saw the corrosion. I will go and ask for another one. These two that are the same are for the rear corners of the car. There are some stamped codes, the two same ones have AX-041 stamped on them, and a date, and thats about it.

The unique one is indeed for the centre sphere, and is marked AX-003.

I didn't get the old spheres off yet, because they are very dirty and stuck and corroded possobly, so I'm using a lot of WD-40 to try and get it off. I'll post a picture as soon as I get it of.

I don't think it is a hydractive, and if it isn't then I suppose I would just need one more corroded one :) to change all four, right?

Remeber, I need to change all four spheres in the back.
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Have a good read of this thread before you get into it and take special note of the safety precautions!

An hydraulic Citroen can injure or kill you without a moments warning, I have been far too close for comfort to losing a limb to be blasé about it.
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myglaren wrote:Have a good read of this thread before you get into it and take special note of the safety precautions!

An hydraulic Citroen can injure or kill you without a moments warning, I have been far too close for comfort to losing a limb to be blasé about it.
Thanks for your concern, but I'm a strong boy :).
I'm just joking, I have a big a$# canal, so there is no way anything is falling on me ;)
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I'm guessing that didn't translate properly, I've already mentioned the
hydraulics article sticky post (twice already) Steve!

But anyway! igor253 are you in Georgia?

If the sphere part numbers are anything to go by, Google turned up a
supplier there for spheres - problem is they don't show the model/position
the part number is intended to fit on the car so the part number is currently
meaningless.

The pictures shown in Shane's web page highlight just how substantial the
feed pipe to the rear suspension piston is on the hydractive car. The normal
Citroen suspension feed pipe will be a substantially smaller diameter.

Image

The hydractive hydraulic feed is the one that swings down and round under
the sphere in the picture.

If the car isn't hydractive, you really need to work through what these 8
spheres on it are and why you have a centre sphere as one of the x3 you
have pictured. The odd third one isn't the rear anti sink but without
checking I'm unable to tell if it is actually the gearbox mounted accumulator
one - Shane does picture the difference between an accumulator and a
hydractive sphere but doesn't fully caption which is which.

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andmcit wrote:I'm guessing that didn't translate properly, I've already mentioned the
hydraulics article sticky post (twice already) Steve!

But anyway! igor253 are you in Georgia?

If the sphere part numbers are anything to go by, Google turned up a
supplier there for spheres - problem is they don't show the model/position
the part number is intended to fit on the car so the part number is currently
meaningless.

The pictures shown in Shane's web page highlight just how substantial the
feed pipe to the rear suspension piston is on the hydractive car. The normal
Citroen suspension feed pipe will be a substantially smaller diameter.

Image

The hydractive hydraulic feed is the one that swings down and round under
the sphere in the picture.

If the car isn't hydractive, you really need to work through what these 8
spheres on it are and why you have a centre sphere as one of the x3 you
have pictured. The odd third one isn't the rear anti sink but without
checking I'm unable to tell if it is actually the gearbox mounted accumulator
one - Shane does picture the difference between an accumulator and a
hydractive sphere but doesn't fully caption which is which.

Andrew
I'm in Serbia acctualy, the Balkans.

I'm going to take a picture of the sphere on the car tommorow and I will post it here, so then I'm hopping you'll be able to see wether it's hydractive suspension.

I am really thankfull for all your help today, and try not to forget about me tommorow :)
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Btw, I'm pretty sure I have the same model as in shane's thread. It looks the same as mine. But I'm still gonna picture it tommorow.

Also the codes, like the one on shane's spheres are not marked on my new spheres, and I forgot to mention that the new spheres are not original citroen.
It is a German manufactuer called OPTIMAL.
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andmcit wrote:I'm guessing that didn't translate properly, I've already mentioned the
hydraulics article sticky post (twice already) Steve!
Sorry - noted the other links and missed those :oops:
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