ANY ONE SEEN THESE

[andmcit]

I thought you'd say handbrake!?

I personally wouldn't get hung up about the ventilation - it DOES work!!
Is there such a thing as a 100% perfect designed car even...

[Deanxm]

damit, forgot about the handbrake
and no, i think the faults make them even more likable in a strange sort of way.

D

[Citroening]

Ok Ok....yes the ventilation system isn't the best in the world and the handbrakes do need adjusting quite often but hey...
(Has anyone seen a 'new' CX owner with an unadjusted handbrake pulled up to nearly 90 degrees vertical!! )

The Turbo CXs are very quick cars....the T2 more so. I'm lucky to have a Maikonics tuned T2...now does that go....

Whoever buys the T2 on ebay...you'll definitely enjoy it.

[DoubleChevron]

You guys don't want CX's .... You see:

--they rust horrifically if you live in the uk.... Hell they even rust in Australia
--There the hottest car ever made to travel in ...... God dman there hot, a recipe for severe heat stroke if there ever was one (just look on my thread on trying to cool one sufficiently on aussiefrogs).
--The electrical wiring is appalling, not helped a lot by the crazy POM's pouring salty water over all the wiring connectors.
--There is bugger all luggage space in them. compared to modern hatchbacks there tiny inside
--the hydraulics lines are not coated and if used on a salted road with dissolve....

Really guys, you don't want one .... there a cr@p car ............ and there ALL MINE !!!! GIMME GIMME GIMME

This is my daily driver:





seeya,
Shane L.

[citronut]

Shane L wrote
"the hydraulics lines are not coated"

all the earlier citroen metal hydraulic pipes were galvanised, but when the coatting breaks down then they rust,

moder citroen pipes are powder coated, which dose seem to last longer than the earlier galvo pipes, appart from on the ZX's for some reason,

regards malcolm

[DoubleChevron]

Shane L wrote
"the hydraulics lines are not coated"

all the earlier citroen metal hydraulic pipes were galvanised, but when the coatting breaks down then they rust,

moder citroen pipes are powder coated, which dose seem to last longer than the earlier galvo pipes, appart from on the ZX's for some reason,

regards malcolm

Are you sure ?? DS's, CX's and GS's look like mild steel to me ............... and rust just like it Actually they last forever in Australia, but seem to have lasted about 20minutes on the salted UK imports I own.

They look plastic coated on the Xantia/XM ?

seeya,
Shane L.

[Citroening]

I see that you've colour coded you bumpers to match the car colour - wise choice!
They look so much better that way! Another step could be to colour code it fully like this S2 T1:



I like the look of it, and it looked really smart in the flesh too.

BTW, that is the same colour as yours...except it's a rubbish camera!

[steelcityuk]

Hi all,

Can I ask why the CX is so much better than a XM without getting mauled?

I've never ridden in a CX let along drove one. I'm aware of the centre point steering setup on the CX but surely the hydractive system of the XM negates such an advantage?

I fancy a GS/GSA myself.

Thanks in anticipation of not being abused or outcast!

Steve.

[myglaren]

Shane L wrote
"the hydraulics lines are not coated"

all the earlier citroen metal hydraulic pipes were galvanised, but when the coatting breaks down then they rust,

moder citroen pipes are powder coated, which dose seem to last longer than the earlier galvo pipes, appart from on the ZX's for some reason,

regards malcolm

Are you sure ?? DS's, CX's and GS's look like mild steel to me ............... and rust just like it Actually they last forever in Australia, but seem to have lasted about 20minutes on the salted UK imports I own.

They look plastic coated on the Xantia/XM ?

seeya,
Shane L.

The GS ones were all plastic coated too.

[andmcit]

Steve,

Obviously it really does depend what you aim to use whatever car for and
the expectations from it. I don't see why you need to be worried about being
'mauled' for asking a simple question although diehard Cx owners can be a
partisan bunch!

I'm most unlikely to give an unbiased reply to your query myself but will
still give an answer a go as I own Xm's, Xantiae and Gs/GSA's along with
various versions of Cx so I guess well qualified to compare.

Trying to be dispassionate/purely objective the Xm and Xantia will appear
the better cars being newer and therefore better built and rust protected
with being much further down the line in manufacturing processes and
technology. Head wins the battle and an Xm/Xant will do whatever jobs are
demanded from it - that's what more recent cars have done so well and
comprehensively.

So an older rustier Gs or Cx cannot hope to be a daily driver and offer
reliability and a driving experience better than more modern alternatives?
I personally believe they can though. Bear in mind 70's and 80's Citroens
were more commercially unsaleable being more unforgiving uncompromising
with a typically Gallic take it or leave it attitude yet it is purely why these
cars are this way their beguiling character/personality (yes really even with
inanimate objects I know) wins through and your heart is totally bowled over
and idiosyncrasies are loved and embraced.

It's not so such the way the older cars look (although for me they're far
superior) so much as the way they do things in a disarming direct albeit
likely weird way that the newer airbag/ABS etc equipped cars have lost
in translation. And their comfort!! Citroen knew how to 'do' comfortable
seats better in the old days...

Drive a Cx over a 40 mile journey and jump straight into an Xm and this
will hit you with massive impact! The steering, comfort and ride in the Cx
is simply in a different league to the unnecessarily complex hydractive Xm.

So for looks, the way they go and the experience they give, the older cars
are best!! For me (dependent on the way the wind is blowing!) the Gs may
even shade a Cx in ultimate desirabilty - a truly stupendous car!!

As an interesting aside, in the past fortnight I've been running my white
Cx GTi Turbo2 again after a winter lay up and I've been truly amazed at
the general public reaction to the Cx in my daily chores - at least 75% of
people stand and stare/point and mouth the usual "WTFT" and many a time
are busy almost crashing their cars trying to take cameraphone pictures.
I do not lie or exaggerate! I'm not used to all the attention!

Given the choice, for drama and sense of occasion you'll grab the Cx or Gs
keys everytime!

Andrew

[citronut]

Steve wrote
"The GS ones were all plastic coated too."

i dont remember G's with plastic coated pipes,

all the many G's i re/piped of the years and some CX'S and a couple of D's,
have all been galvanise coated,

it was a standing jock if a hydraulic citroen was ever taken by its owner to the local F**T dealer for a MOT,

as sure as egg's is egg's they would fail on hydraulic pipes, which 99% of the time turned out to be the galvo coattingbreaking down, gone all white and powdery, and more offten that not no rust in sight,

even the early BX's had galvo pipes the later changed to black powder coated,

regards malcolm

[andmcit]

The pipes are just a job you need to do the once like a clutch change in
the lifetime of the car - no point fighting it as it's kind of inevitable!

The trick is having the pipe, seals and flare tool yourself and the patience.

[DoubleChevron]

That's one seriously nice looking CX. Mines a Series II Turbo I as well. I like the bump strips down the side being black. It breaks up the "red" on the car. Mine needs a respray. I painted it about 5years ago with Acrylic Laquer paint ....................... Which is a great paint to use if you love spray painting 'cos it doesn't last for sh!t and you get to do it all over again within a few years

The bumpers are also a slightly different colour to the car now as I had to repair them. First I sanded all the "texture" off them (I had to weld them up, which trashes the texture).

The CX isn't a better car than the XM as such, it's just different. The XM sh!ts me as it could have been so good. If they had put daravi steering with 2turns lock to lock into it, and decent CX like wishbone front suspension, the car would be vastly superior to drive. It's very obvious that it doesn't have center point steering like the CX/GS/SM/DS when you drive it. Stupid sh!t like putting springs under the brake pedal simply defy belief, why would a car manufacturer do something so dangerous

seeya,
Shane L.

[andmcit]

Thing is, when you start using what ifs and buts, it would be game over
for the Cx and Gs had they been fully galvanised like their modern
counterparts the Xm and Xantia. We'd all still be running about in the older
cars!! The fact is, they've been updated with lousy McPherson sh!ts and
seen crummy make-do corner cutting such as naff window mechanisms
(on the Xm) and outright flawed strut tops (on both) to name just x2
obvious examples off the top of my head. And don't get me started on
my Xantia V6 that's so beffudled itself it's locked me out of the engine
immobiliser since last August...

Knowing what I do know now, I feel my past 10 odd years of Xm and
Xantia ownership were years I diverted my time and enthusiasm from
the true great Citroen models and in actual fact I should have gone
backwards and bought a D an Ami and a H van.

[CitroJim]

Knowing what I do know now, I feel my past 10 odd years of Xm and
Xantia ownership were years I diverted my time and enthusiasm from
the true great Citroen models and in actual fact I should have gone
backwards and bought a D an Ami and a H van.

Just you wait until you get your Xantia V6 going Andrew....

We'll then have this conversation again