All Things V6...

[DHallworth]

Here's a few pictures of a Xantia HDi SX that I'll be selling very shortly:













It's a 1999 Xantia HDi SX. It's done a high mileage (176k) but drives like a car that has done a lot less. Just passed it's MOT the other week with the only advisory being a minor exhaust gas leak. It's got 4 good tyres and is ready to go once I've changed the cam belt.

David.

[Citroenmad]

Both XMs are looking great David, the green S1 is stunning

I like the pair of P38s, those are nice cars.

[DHallworth]

Thanks Chis.

The green S1 passed it's MOT with one advisory being the exhaust was corroded slightly. Going to wait till start of April to tax it and then put some miles on it.

There's another P38 behind the shed at the top but I'm about to start stripping that one as it's got a lot of parts that'll be handy to keep the other two on the road.

David.

[Citroenmad]

What engines do you have in you P38s?

Id love a 4.6 HSE but it would have to be on LPG

[DHallworth]

What engines do you have in you P38s?

Id love a 4.6 HSE but it would have to be on LPG

They are all 4.6 HSE's.

The two in the pictures (mine and dad's) are both on LPG the breaker isn't unfortunately. They are lovely cars but when climbing into Dad's L322 with the TDV8 you realise how much they've changed, they are totally different cars!

David.

[KP]

If you own a P38 you have to have another just for parts or for when the first one gets another fault

Only kidding! though the L322 was a big step on, monocoque and the lot and much better diesel engine as the 2.5's were useless for the size and weight. Dont get me wrong my TD6 aint anywhere near as quick as TDV8 can be but they do cost that much more to buy, insure and tax...

[DHallworth]

If you own a P38 you have to have another just for parts or for when the first one gets another fault

To be honest, we've not really had any problems with either of the ones we've got, one of then has done around 9000 miles in 12 months, the other 6000 miles in around 8 months, most of which has been towing. The other I bought as it was only £500 and was going to do it up but changed my mind as it's scruffy inside.

Only kidding! though the L322 was a big step on, monocoque and the lot and much better diesel engine as the 2.5's were useless for the size and weight. Dont get me wrong my TD6 aint anywhere near as quick as TDV8 can be but they do cost that much more to buy, insure and tax...

The TD6 engine is one of the main reasons I've not got an L322 as I've heard it was much the same as the 2.5 Diesel in the P38. I was told it was the same problem as the 322 was a heavier car then the P38 it still didn't have the power/weight ratio that it needed.

David.

[addo]

With that backhoe and a 300mm bucket, what sort of productivity can you get in a firm (maybe chalky) soil? As in, what distance per hour for what depth of trench.

[DHallworth]

With that backhoe and a 300mm bucket, what sort of productivity can you get in a firm (maybe chalky) soil? As in, what distance per hour for what depth of trench.

No idea to be honest Addo. We use it mainly for maintenance around the farm so don't really monitor productivity much I'm afraid.

David.

[Citroenmad]

What engines do you have in you P38s?

Id love a 4.6 HSE but it would have to be on LPG

They are all 4.6 HSE's.

The two in the pictures (mine and dad's) are both on LPG the breaker isn't unfortunately. They are lovely cars but when climbing into Dad's L322 with the TDV8 you realise how much they've changed, they are totally different cars!

David.

Very nice, the only one to have.

We went to replace our RR Classic 3.9 Vogue SE with a P38, though we looked at diesel and were so dissppointed with the engine that we went away from RRs. Should have got a V8 on LPG though!

[DHallworth]

Very nice, the only one to have.

We went to replace our RR Classic 3.9 Vogue SE with a P38, though we looked at diesel and were so dissppointed with the engine that we went away from RRs. Should have got a V8 on LPG though!

We had a 3.5 Range Rover Classic then changed to a 3.9 Vogue SE, then in 2000 with the rising cost of fuel we decided we'd buy a Diesel next, we were also concerned at how poor the 2.5 Diesel was when we test drove a P38 2.5 DSE.

We then bought a Discovery 2 TD5 Millennium, when that was 3 years old we changed it for another TD5, this time an ES model, then changed that for a Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE.

After the Discovery we got an L322 TDV8 Vogue SE which is a fantastic machine. This one only does around 4k miles a year though. When the bad weather came last year we didn't want to use the new Range Rover through fear of someone rear ending it and we didn't really want to get it covered in salt either so we bought the 1st P38 to use as an every day car for towing etc. As it didn't have LPG on it we fitted a single point kit to it. Then we bought another P38 which I'm using as my main car at the moment. The third (the breaker) came along shortly afterwards as I found it locally for a price I couldn't really say no to.

Having a clear out now though, going to keep my 2 V6 XM's, and the Activa probably. Will keep my P38 as well as it's handy for moving cars around with the trailer.

David.

[Citroenmad]

I like the Discovery 2 and the 3, if I had the money I would have a Discovery 3 or 4 as my daily driver. Ideally a D3 G4

We had a P38 4.6 HSE for a few months, borrowed from a family friend who didnt need it. It was a very nice car and we nearly bought it, as its owner had bought one of the last P38s, though he didn't realise he spec and it was a basic, so it didn't stay for long. We went onto soft roaders after the Range Rover, one being a Freelander TD4, which did our towing duties very well.

Do you prefer the L322 Range Rover over a Discovery 3?

[Deanxm]

I really like what you have done with the tail end of that HDI David, it looks really nice debadged with smoked lights, very understated and clean.
My dad had a 3.9 vogue classic and then a 4.6 hse P38 which i later owned, if the newer ones are as much of a step up they must be wonderfull machines.

D

[KP]

The TD6 3.0litre in the L322 was always going to be the worst engine in the range but LR made it a million times worse by sticking it to the worst GM built sack of cack ever Yeah its not fast and the poor slushbox only adds to this but it moves at enough pace for a good real range rover and i've towed our twin axle without much bother, it loves its BioD, and seems to enjoy pootling much of the time.

I've had a D4 HSE SDV6 and yes that was a bit quicker than the RR but it was also heavier and 6years newer... The ride was firmer though and you can spot that its 2 blobs of metal screwed together where as the RR is nice a soft, a wafter like a hydractive Xantia, and is one blob of metal

The TDV8 engines are good but it took me 2 days in a SSRR to blow one up and the other wasn't far behind before i had to swap it in for a D4

I would really love a D3 G4 as well, just before the tax cut over as well would be nice


David do keep an eye on your L322's rear arches and upper tailgate lower lip as they are the first things that rust out, even at 4years old!!

Are all your P38's still airsprung or have some been converted?

Cant believe you only do so little miles in your TDV8, you could have got an SC for the same money and LPG'd it though not as economical i admit, much better for towing upto the speed limit! lol

[DHallworth]

Do you prefer the L322 Range Rover over a Discovery 3?

L322 without a doubt.

The Discovery 3 we had was the HSE with the TDV6 engine in it, was great for towing but it was thirsty for what it was. We never saw more then 24mpg out of ours without the trailer, when towing it was often down as low as 15mpg.

The L322 we've got is a 2007 TDV8 Vogue SE. It's a totally different car to the Discovery 3, the seats are much comfier, the interior is much more refined, it's generally a nicer place to be. The TDV8 engine is also an absolute peach! It's a 3.6 Twin Turbo with 275bhp and 640nm of torque. Being driven nicely it'll do 30mpg, 0 - 60 can be done in around 8 seconds and it'll do 130mph. Everything is totally effortless.

Being the Vogue SE it's got everything, 6 CD Changer, 6 DVD Changer, Freeview, Logic 7 Surround Sound, Heated & Cooled seats that waft cold air through perforations in the leather to cool your arse and all sort of silly things like the wireless camera system.

Dean, the difference between the P38 and the L322 is night and day. It's a totally different car in every respect.

The L322 is also a stunning looking machine. I think it's the nicest looking 4x4 on the road. The new BMW X6 looks bloody awful!

KP: All the P38's are air sprung, I've spent quite a lot of time overhauling the valve blocks and compressors to ensure trouble free operation as we've no intentions of spring converting them. Defeats the purpose really. Will have a look at the wheel arches and tailgate when am next in the shed. Cheers for the heads up!

Here's a few pictures:













Here's my P38 towing the breaker:



And here's the P38 dad's using:



David.