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My brother has been having a lot of problems with his 207 GTi lately.

Weekend before last the temperature warning came on the dash saying that it had overheated. The AA recovered it back home and even after it had cooled down the pin was shooting off the scale and the fans going at full speed. We looked at replacing the temperature sensor and ended up doing the whole thermostat assembly as the sensor comes with the assembly and the price wasn't that much more.

Andrew fitted the sensor whilst I was at work but the car was still doing the same thing. I plugged Peugeot Planet into it and cleared the codes and it sorted it out. Strange that it won't self reset after changing something as simple as a temperature sensor.

That evening the car started to run really rough and it was bogging down when you tried to bring it off idle, it was popping and banging down the exhaust at the same time. I've read a lot on the internet about the timing chains on these slipping and letting the timing go and was fairly certain that's what was wrong. By this point we were all a little fed up so I didn't even bother to put Planet back on it. We'd decided that we didn't want to entertain the idea of sorting this out so we had the car recovered to Peugeot Ecosse in Bo'ness on Thursday afternoon. It arrived at 5pm and they were fully booked for the Friday which was unfortunate.

I got a phone call today, a little after midday to say that the car was fixed. It wasn't actually the timing that had slipped, the high pressure fuel pump mounted to the cylinder head had failed. They had a 2nd hand pump to hand that they'd fitted to ensure that their diagnosis was correct, thankfully it was and the car has totally transformed. In fact the car now is driving better then it has done since we've had it. They offered to order a new one at £320 + VAT or leave the 2nd hand one on it for £150 + VAT. As he needed the car back quite quickly we opted for the 2nd hand one rather then waiting for it as tomorrow we're all busy so picking it up would be difficult as they're over 50 miles away.

We'd been thinking about getting rid of it as we've spent a fortune on it recently. The electric coolant pump which cools the turbo had to be replaced a couple of months ago at £600, the bill today including labour for changing the fuel pump was £450 and it had a set of Michelins fitted to it a month or two back as well... Hopefully that'll be it for a while now as it drives very nicely. It was also quite comforting to hear the garage saying that they've driven dozens of these things and this one is one of the better ones to drive out of all of them.

It is a little disappointing that it's needed this sort of work done to it at 61k miles, however, it's a BMW engine in it, electric coolant pumps, fuel pumps and timing chains seem to be a fairly common occurrence on these engines when fitted to the Mini, DS3's (150thp and Racing) and the 207 GT & GTi. Apparently from about 2009 onwards they'd sorted the problems but as this one is a 2007 it's an early one. Another thing the garage mentioned was, that when driving these cars spiritedly they use oil. Apparently BMW have quietly said that up to 1 litre per 1000 miles is acceptable!?!? :shock: So much for German engineering and reliability!?!? The ES9J4 V6 uses bugger all of anything other then petrol when driven hard!!

Fingers crossed that's it for a while now!

In other news, after the trip to get the Peugeot, the C6 has now covered over 600 miles effortlessly this week. It's a superb car and one that I'm thoroughly glad to have back :)

David.

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Most interesting David...

So much for German engineering :roll: Put me right off a DS3 :(

I like your comment about the ES9J4 :-D

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The Activa passed it's MOT without even an advisory :)

It covered a grand total of 778 miles last year, it did more on the trailer going to BL Auto's and back then it did on the tarmac.

I'd forgotten how much I love this car and how much it makes me smile when driving it.

The service manager loves Xantias, one of the young lads in the workshop loved the idea of a V6 manual and an old timer in the workshop asked how I got a V6 RHD Activa. Lindsay the girl on the service reception then said she'd been asked by all 3 of them to find out if I'd sell it :lol:

I told them that as I couldn't replace it at a later date, there's no way I'd sell it just now. :)

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Excellent David :-D

Congrats on the MOT!

I love the reception yours got. Shows what a missed opportunity for Citroen the decision not to import an RHD V6 Activa into the UK was...

An RHD V6 Activa is priceless!

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wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee a new MOT...:)

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I agree, Jim. However being asked the question did get me wondering on the way home what the car was worth. It needs a little bit of bodywork (my own fault), mechanicals are mint as is the interior and mine has only covered 52k miles. Even a few hours later I have no idea what I'd value it at. I know what it owes me but have no idea what I'd ask as really it's irreplaceable should I decide I regretted selling.

Anyway, I was going to tax it from tomorrow and use it a little before the Northern but as it's snowing up here today and the weather is generally very miserable I don't think I'll bother!

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It's always a good feeling getting an MoT pass, imo cars are getting too overengineered. Just wait a few years and these fraud 3 cylinder 1 ltr ecoboost turbos putting out 125 bhp will be worn out at 50k.

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I'm a firm believer in that as well, Mark.

My old Golf R32 was normally aspirated and put out 250bhp. The new Golf R is a smaller engine with a great big turbo strapped to it and it's pushing upwards of 300bhp.

These new 1.6 Turbo's that PSA are using are the same, 200bhp from a 1.6 in the 208 GTI and DS3 Racing, but the RCZ R has the same engine but with 270bhp from a 1.6!! :shock:

I'm convinced that these bigger, older engines, like the V6's etc that have a lazier life will live much longer. It's probably all part of the master plan, get them to 5 years old and then sell another one.

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bxzx16v wrote:It's always a good feeling getting an MoT pass, imo cars are getting too overengineered. Just wait a few years and these fraud 3 cylinder 1 ltr ecoboost turbos putting out 125 bhp will be worn out at 50k.
I'm not so sure. My TT had 152k on it, there's plenty of them and the other cars in the VAG family with more than that mileage on what is essentially an ageing 1.8 Golf engine with a 5v head and a big turbo stuck on. Even the C4 VTS with it's supposed 180bhp from 2 normally aspirated litres is reasonably stressed.

I'm surprised these small capacity, high output engines haven't been seen earlier in family sized cars. The 660cc Japanese Kei cars have been pushing out big power for their size for years thanks to forced induction. Didn't the Daihatsu Charade GTti have 100bhp from 1 litre nearly 30 years ago?

I'm sure we'd have seen these engines long ago if the manufacturers had been backed into a corner with tax and emission regulations - just like the higher powered Kei cars were a product of such laws.

Of course, we need not mention bikes. My CBR600 had over 100bhp back in 1996. Of course, you had to whip it to death to get that out of it, and it had half the torque of a one-winged bluebottle but the technology has been there.

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It's been a busy weekend up here, especially yesterday, I looked out of the window and decided to give the C6 a wash as it was filthy. Once I'd gotten my clobber out to wash it I decided I may as well do a couple of others as they were filthy too. Unfortunately the only Frenchie to get washed was the C6. The rest of them are fairly clean.

I started off with snow foam again...

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Then used Maxollen wheel cleaner to do the wheels whilst the snow foam did it's job. After that I dried the cars and gave them a coating of Maxollen Rapid Detailer. The results are epic.

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You can see the reflection of my brothers Type R in the side of the C6, that was one of the others that was cleaned, as was my Range Rover and my folks Freelander :)

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I walked up to the C6 this morning on the driveway and couldn't help but grin. It really does suit Iron Grey :) I nearly decided to buy a different C6 in a darker colour, there was a green one in Sunderland that was tempting as it's so different, and there were a few Storm Grey ones about but I'm glad I went for my old one again now.

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And just another reflection shot :)

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You'd best get your cleaning kit out before Cosford, Steve!! :D

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C6 looks nice shocker.....should be on page 3 in the morning, such a good looker.
Nice finish
Do you find the snow foam works well ?

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Nice work David, I bet it was very rewarding at the end.

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On its own the snow foam isn't much use. I cover the cars in it and leave it for about 5 minutes. If I'm doing one of the Land Rovers I'll wash the roof with a very soft bristle brush and glass with a mitt, on anything else I only do the glass with snow foam.

After that I pressure wash the cars to remove it and any dirt that it's loosened.

It just seems to loosen it off and as the heavier stuff comes off with pressure washing there's less chance of scratching the paint when you wash it with a mitt.

On its own though, I wouldn't bother with it.

Thanks Mark, it's great looking at everything sparkling once you've cleaned them. Especially as the light comes on as it gets dark. :)

David.

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Quite agree about the snow foam, what a load of tosh that stuff is, spraying the car with a pressure washer does more plus it saves time as you don't have to wait 5 minutes for the foam to do it's not so good magic. Chucked my snow foam applicator and 5 litre can of the stuff in the bin.

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I heard that about it as well.

I think a lot of it is to do with the type of snow foam you use. The Halfords stuff was worse then useless, this stuff I'm using now I bought from the local detailer for £3 a litre in an unbranded bottle. He buys it in bulk and then bottles it for customers who want a litre at a time. I use 100ml of snow foam to 900ml of water and that litre will last me for 3 Range Rovers or 4 cars.

It's very different from the Halfords stuff I used and with this stuff the car is still white after 5 minutes. On it's own it's not great, but it does help remove some of the thicker stuff that the pressure washer wouldn't budge on it's own.

David.