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Post by citroenxm »

Great Dan!

Shes REALLY worth fixing, very late Xantias are rare, and really are a GREAT car!

Get them sweating, but dont get rid! EVEN if the box has gone chances are theres PLEANTY of others in Pooshows or more unlucky citroens..

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Incredible these people. :twisted:
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citroenxm wrote: Get them sweating, but dont get rid! EVEN if the box has gone chances are theres PLEANTY of others in Pooshows or more unlucky citroens..
Indeed, millions and not hard to swap them either. Often they can be got for a very small price from a scrapper...

Just check, if you can, that the synchros are good. That's the critical wear point on a BE3...
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Post by citroenxm »

Jim,
Will it be a BE3 on such a late car.. Im a bit unsure if the car REALLY is a 1.9 TD, because IM sure ALL DERVs were HDi by this time.. ah, stupid me, possibly a HDi 90, but push clutches are strong... its the STUPID pull clutches that are rediciliously weak!

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Yep, all 1.9TDs had the BE3 and so did the 90HDi Paul. It was only the 110HDi, 2.1TD and 2.0 TCT that had the ML5...

In fact the 90HDi BE3 is an almost direct swap for the 1.9TD BE3. Ask Xac as his 1.9TD has a 90HDi 'box on it. Gearing is a tad taller...
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Post by citroenxm »

Yea, I remember asking Xac about that, but we came to the conclusion that there was not much in the Final gear ratio, both engines would be dooing 80 at AROUND 3000rpm...

What I was try to say was, Im sure the 1.9td was REALLY gone by 2000/2001, so this car could very well be a HDi 110bhp with pull clutch

OF COurse, I could very well be wrong again :lol:


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citroenxm wrote: OF COurse, I could very well be wrong again :lol:
Not you Paul :lol:

2000/01 is well late for a 1.9TD as you say Paul but you never know. One that hung around for a bit before being registered possibly...

Dan, what's your RP number and can you confirm if it really is a 1.9TD. A quick visual will do the job. If there is a hunking great plastic cover on the engine and it has two turbo pipes next to each other by the airbox then it's a 110HDi. A 90HDi only has one turbo pipe. A 1.9TD will be naked and have a big sliver injection pump visible out front..



110HDi ML5 'boxes are a tad rarer than BE3s sadly...
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Post by citroenxm »

The box's are a WONDERFULL box especially with cable changes, its the AWFULL release pressure plate that fails VERY COMMONLY!!

They tried to be a bit more clever, and the pull clutch IS in two pieces and is fitted in two pieces, but they are only held together by a Spring clip, and either this gives are the release bearing falls apart!

When I did the Clutch job on the Hospital Car, the famous green HDi 110 I had lots of trouble with I got in touch with the AA to do with my customers claim for premature failure, and the technical guy said these are VERY common for failing!

Ive done 2 out of the four I have here and the friction plates were all still serviceable, it was the release bearing in BOTH caes.

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Post by CitroJim »

citroenxm wrote: the technical guy said these are VERY common for failing!
Yes, another of the less bright innovations on the part of PSA :twisted:

When you think about it, they do do some silly things that with a bit of thought could have been done much better really.

I'm thinking pull clutches in general, cable gear changes, hydraulic clutches in general, Activa rams, hydractive electrovalves and ES9J4 oil-tightness :twisted:

I can't blame PSA for the failings in the late autoboxes. That was fairly and squarely down to ZF and Siemens...

One thing I like about an automatic. No clutch to worry about 8-)
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It was the silly spring clip that went in my Xantia 16v VSX. Pedal went straight to floor, but couldn't select ANY gears. I had to put it in gear, then flick the starter. A big lurch and I was away--I had to get the car home.
I will have to do the clutch on this S-reg TD, as it is really heavy, and started to judder a bit. The hardest part with a pull clutch is trying to get the fingers of actuator lined up with the slots in the release bearing. A bummer if you bolt it all back together, and it hasn't .
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Post by citroenxm »

Gregg1100 wrote:
I will have to do the clutch on this S-reg TD, as it is really heavy, and started to judder a bit. The hardest part with a pull clutch is trying to get the fingers of actuator lined up with the slots in the release bearing. A bummer if you bolt it all back together, and it hasn't .
:shock:
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I remember my first TD Xanti clutch, it was a bugger - but now its almost an eyes shut job.. I know what you mean though!

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citroenxm wrote: I remember my first TD Xanti clutch, it was a bugger - but now its almost an eyes shut job.. I know what you mean though!
I remember mine too :twisted: nearly scrapped the car over it :roll:

It took me three weeks, mainly because I hurt my back on it :twisted:
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