How do I convert Xantia 90Hdi to 110Hdi?

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Post by rmunns »

Mmmmmm................

Complicated, eh?

Wish I'd never asked.

Maybe I'll go for a high-efficiency re-map. Any recommendations?
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Post by lolingram »

However if you want to up the power to 110, dont bother fitting the 110 things, just get it remapped. It should easily see 110bhp and more, may increase MPG too. Depends on the map type and how you drive it.
My thoughts also... 110/120 bhp ought to be no sweat at all, even with a 'magic' inline gadget perhaps?

Whether the 110 Hdi is much more economical than the 90bhp is a moot point... they are both an order of magnitude better than the 1.9TD!
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Post by Xaccers »

Unless that 1.9TD is running on veg, in which case it's much more economical ;)
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Unless that 1.9TD is running on veg, in which case it's much more economical
Cheaper... yes, but not more eco?
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Post by mark21td »

It's is if you use waste veg oil,

But new or used oil will give much lower emitions, on average 50% lower,
the only one that isn't that low is nox wich is only 5% lower the diesel.

And you leave the satisfying smell of a chipy for the car behind :mrgreen:
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Post by lolingram »

But new or used oil will give much lower emitions, on average 50% lower,
the only one that isn't that low is nox wich is only 5% lower the diesel.
Still the case if one takes into account the carbon negativity of producing the stuff?
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Post by mark21td »

If you use waste oil there is a very small carbon negativity of producing it,
just a small amount of electric to the run a pump and heater for a few hours.
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If you use waste oil there is a very small carbon negativity of producing it,
just a small amount of electric to the run a pump and heater for a few hours.
I have read at several instances in the distant past, that >80% of the pollution from a given motor vehicle is produced during the manufacturing process... makes the scrappage scheme REALLY negative! Better to run the vehicle until natural death.
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Post by HDI »

This is true. Then there is the energy to scrap & recycle a car , also substantial.
Then there is the R&D for continual new models. All that experimentation testing , prototyping etc , etc.
Problem is that the car industry has adjusted to the 1-2 year replacement cycle that is the habit for most new car buyers , or should it be said the habit fueled by brainwashing from marketing departments.
Ironically though , cars have never been better made or as durable , come with 3-5 year warranties and if never accident damaged will never rust themselves onto the scrap heap. But that is of no consequence to the first buyer !
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The only thing to kill a modern car now is the cost of replaceing ecu's and the like or a fuel pump on an HDI.
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Post by HDI »

There are quite a few ECU specialists now , but true , if the ECU is truly demised and there are no reconned units available that is probably it !

Are fuel pumps expensive on HDI's then ?
Now using '00 Xantia LX HDI, pov spec :(
My past Citroens :-
'00 Xantia SX HDI, now dead due to accident :(
'99 Xantia HDI 110 Exclusive, RIP :(
'97 Xantia TD SX
'96 Xantia TD LX
'96 ZX TD
'89 BX TD
'88 AX GT
'79 CX2400 Pallas (scrapped :( )
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Post by mark21td »

HDI wrote:There are quite a few ECU specialists now , but true , if the ECU is truly demised and there are no reconned units available that is probably it !

Are fuel pumps expensive on HDI's then ?

Your looking at about £1000 for a new pump and a garage to fit it :shock:
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Post by rmunns »

Now we've got onto the eco topic, imagine flying above the land and looking down onto a larg-ish quarry. Pretty small compared to the whole countryside you can see.

But if each car ever made or imported into UK was squashed into a one-metre cube, then they could all be placed into that quarry.

So, really, is this all such a big problem.
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Post by lolingram »

Now we've got onto the eco topic, imagine flying above the land and looking down onto a larg-ish quarry. Pretty small compared to the whole countryside you can see.

But if each car ever made or imported into UK was squashed into a one-metre cube, then they could all be placed into that quarry.

So, really, is this all such a big problem.
Don't quite see the connection vis à vis Eco/energy consumed in manufacture?
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Post by lolingram »

This is true. Then there is the energy to scrap & recycle a car , also substantial.
Then there is the R&D for continual new models. All that experimentation testing , prototyping etc , etc.
Problem is that the car industry has adjusted to the 1-2 year replacement cycle that is the habit for most new car buyers , or should it be said the habit fueled by brainwashing from marketing departments.
Of course, but this is what keeps the likes of us supplied with good really cheap Xants and XMs, etc!
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