Activated V6 driver

Koukku · Unread post by **Koukku** » 15 Feb 2010, 10:12

The garage where my car was put to the dyno, had tested a pug 406 V6 with a turbo, and it had produced just above 250hp. And this one at DP engineering has 265hp: http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/project ... _turbo.php. Would've expected more tbh. And it would certainly require some hydraulics relocation...

XantiaMan · Unread post by **XantiaMan** » 15 Feb 2010, 10:34

Koukku wrote:The garage where my car was put to the dyno, had tested a pug 406 V6 with a turbo, and it had produced just above 250hp. And this one at DP engineering has 265hp: http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/project ... _turbo.php. Would've expected more tbh. And it would certainly require some hydraulics relocation...

Is that all? My ST220 would do that with a full system and induction kit

KP · Unread post by KP » 15 Feb 2010, 11:21

See thats the thign with the PSA v6's and these turbo options.

Your better with the twin turbo setup on a 3litre v6 as you get a more CT like engine going up through the rev range as it would be constantly pushing out buckets of torque from the offset more like the PSA v6 diesels do...

Koukku · Unread post by **Koukku** » 15 Feb 2010, 11:41

XantiaMan wrote:
Koukku wrote:The garage where my car was put to the dyno, had tested a pug 406 V6 with a turbo, and it had produced just above 250hp. And this one at DP engineering has 265hp: http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/project ... _turbo.php. Would've expected more tbh. And it would certainly require some hydraulics relocation...
Is that all? My ST220 would do that with a full system and induction kit

Yeah, I know... kinda sad isn't it

They did use ES9J4 when they built the 255hp unit for Clio V6 however...

Koukku · Unread post by **Koukku** » 15 Feb 2010, 14:36

I installed a new Pioneer head unit a while back (DEH-5100UB), and got a InCarTec stalk adapter for it, which didn't work at all. Well, it did light up the buttons on the steering wheel and reset the player every now and then.

I then bought Autoleads PC99-X09 stalk adapter, which seems to work perfectly. It wasn't too easy to fit all that wiring and adapters (Pioneer has it's own harness adapter too) inside the dash... on the first try I blocked some heater control levers from moving

I guess with the aftermarket facia adapter there would've been more space behind the head unit, but with the "original" adapter that has the sliding lid it's pretty cramped.

I also fixed the left side headlight with some epoxy... the bottom bracket had cracked, and the beam basically only lit the traffic signs above the road.

Now I'm waiting for the Pipercross Viper induction kit to arrive from the UK. I ordered it over two weeks ago, so it should be here shortly. Once I get to install the induction kit, I will hopefully finally get on with the project of relocating the drycell battery under the passenger seat... it'll be also a good time to check if it's possible to fit some better seats.

I also bought a "headlight amplifier" which is waiting to be installed. It's supposed increase (and smooth out..) the voltage for the headlights. I've read some mixed reviews of the system, some being very happy, others telling that it destroys headlight bulbs at a rather high rate. It'll be an interesting test atleast...

Oh, and for the winter I put in some Motul 300V 5W-40, which I also ordered from the UK... almost half the price compared to local shops.

Unread post by **CitroJim** » 15 Feb 2010, 20:19

All this talk of tuning the ES9J4 is interesting. In that respect have you heard of anyone running after-market injection on the engine, such as Megasquirt?

I ask as I may need to go down this route if my pans to build a V6 Activa progress beyond the drawing board. I have most of what I need but I'm lacking a suitable engine ECU and Megasquirt might be the way to go...

Be interesting to see what difference the Pipercross induction kit makes

It would be a bonus if it just made things easier to get at under the airbox as it seems for virtually every job you do on the engine, the airbox has to come off...

Koukku · Unread post by **Koukku** » 16 Feb 2010, 14:34

The induction kit arrived yesterday, so I promptly installed it.

The breather tubes were a rather tight fit, but I would imagine that is because the kit is actually for pug 406 V6 (they don't make one for Xantia), and there is a bit more space under the 406's bonnet right about where the LHM reservoir is...

The air hose that came with the kit is maybe 10cm too short to reach where the original used to be attached to under the left headlamp. It does reach an opening from the engine bay to behind the bumper however, so it should get cool air there too.

Couldn't really tell the difference because of the icy roads, there's just no traction when really flooring it. The sound is certainly different, but not as much as I had expected. Probably the loud exhaust noise makes it less noticeable...

With the airbox out of the way, the engine bay does look rather roomy

It's quite easy to access everything that used to be under the airbox. I'll try to post pictures soon.

Koukku · Unread post by **Koukku** » 16 Feb 2010, 16:06

CitroJim wrote:All this talk of tuning the ES9J4 is interesting. In that respect have you heard of anyone running after-market injection on the engine, such as Megasquirt?

I ask as I may need to go down this route if my pans to build a V6 Activa progress beyond the drawing board. I have most of what I need but I'm lacking a suitable engine ECU and Megasquirt might be the way to go...

Sorry, forgot about this part.. nope, haven't bumped into anyone doing anything to the ES9J4. You may want to do some searching on pug forums. They seem to be more interested in stuff like this than most Citroen V6 owners...

Koukku · Unread post by **Koukku** » 17 Feb 2010, 14:10

Also forgot to mention that I bought a Lexia from eBay couple of weeks ago. Yup, the chinese version. They've copied it quite nicely, complete with Made in France -stickers.

It found intermittent faults for brake pressure sensor and steering wheel sensor, and after the dyno run the brake pressure sensor fault had reappeared. It was quite interesting to have the Activa ECU info visible while driving.

Not very convinient though, considering the connector location in driver side footwell...

Koukku · Unread post by **Koukku** » 20 Feb 2010, 20:30

Found something hanging under the car today...

It was missing two bolts from the other end. Now it's missing one from each end... didn't have any spare M8 bolts, but I guess it'll hold until monday.

And couple of pics of the Viper induction kit as promised:
http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz16 ... iper_1.jpg
http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz16 ... iper_2.jpg

Unread post by **CitroJim** » 20 Feb 2010, 21:33

Oh dear

Those bolts are normally quite hard to remove Koukku! Or at lest they are on UK models...

Bet it rattled a bit

That induction kit looks very good. Properly designed for the car rather than a botch-job as so many seem to be. Impressed how they've done the idle air and temperature sensor..

lexi · Unread post by **lexi** » 21 Feb 2010, 22:37

You must be flexing the chassis on those bends Kokku and tie rod has broken

. You may have grounded?. The first I heard of Megasquirt stuff was on Rover V8 engines...as well as Megajolt. Some guys on the Landrover forums were doing it many years ago.

Koukku · Unread post by **Koukku** » 22 Feb 2010, 09:21

CitroJim wrote:Oh dear Those bolts are normally quite hard to remove Koukku! Or at lest they are on UK models...

Bet it rattled a bit

I did heard some noise couple of days ago, but I had some stuff loose in the trunk, so I didn't think anything of it.

The day I noticed it, it didn't make any noise at all while driving... The rod was of course removed when the new exhaust was installed, and they probably didn't tighten it properly. It's also looks like it's installed upside down to get more clearance for the 3" exhaust.

Yesterday we had a winter track day, or winter driving practice, or whatever you want to call it... evasive manouvers on snow and ice at rather high speeds.

Great fun, although it was almost -20 degrees celcius most of the day...

http://sitruuna.unk.fi/gallery/d/39210-2/IMG_0229.JPG

More pictures of snow and Citroëns combined... couple of BX 4WDs (the red one has 16V engine in it) and even one CX too:
http://sitruuna.unk.fi/gallery/Ratapaiv ... irata2010/

4WDs in action:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrCibx1978# ... XC4uHajB90

I shot some in-car video also, but it was with mobile phone, and I haven't even played it back yet... not sure if it's worth uploading.

Koukku · Unread post by **Koukku** » 26 Feb 2010, 18:35

Today I bought ferry tickets to Germany and back for me and my Activa, and booked a hotel by the Nordschleife for two nights... guess what I'll be doing from 10th to 12th of July...

Koukku · Unread post by **Koukku** » 12 Apr 2010, 11:03

Last week I put in an order for a new set of Hankook R-S2's, as I suspect the current set won't last very long at this rate... we're having total of seven track days this summer together with pug and renault clubs (plus one drag race event with proper timing). Those will be held at three different circuits, two of which I've never driven on before. Can't wait

I weighed the wheels when I swapped the summer tyres on... 16" OZ Ultraleggeras with 225/50 tyres were 17.5 - 17.6kg, which makes the Hankooks alone over 11kg

The Activa rims with 205/60-15 tyres were 17.4 - 17.5kg. Considering the increased rim size and tyre width, I'd say that's pretty good.

I also have a set of Ferodo Premier front brake pads on the way, hoping to solve the brake vibration problem at high temperatures (most likely caused by pad transfer).