Xantia hesitates...now won't start

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Post by MikeT »

Hi Toby, sorry to read of all the grief you're going through but good on you too keep at it - it's worth it IMO and you'll be so glad you didn't give up :wink:

I'm suffering a nasty cold at the moment so won't be offering my help at this time - not that I know much about HDI's but if it's any use to you, I've got an MOT'd and taxed Granada not being used should you need a runaround and don't forget, I've still got a spare cam seal left over. Oh, and I've got some sealant left that I used for my bearing caps if you want that too. If there's anything else you think you might need, just ask. You're not putting anyone out by asking and all the better if it's offered first (ie DickieG's offer, grab it while you can I say!)

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Post by Toby_HDi »

Thanks Mike, your right, I'm not gonna let this one beat me :D

Thanks for your offer but really atm all I do is go to work; for that the push bike is adequate :lol:

If that cam seal fits the HDi then it would save me a fiver having to get one from Citroen, as well as some sealant. Halfrauds didn't have any left when I went in today. I may have to get a bus over to Christchurch anyway to pick some parts up from the dealer. It's just getting a spare day to do it.

Thanks again fellas :)
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Post by MikeT »

Where's your nearest Halfrauds Toby? If it's Christchurch, there's a more reasonably priced MDC at the junction of Purewell and Stanpit that I find more preferable.

Give me a call if/when you want to come over and take the seal and sealant.
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Post by Toby_HDi »

Its Ferndown (Tricketts Cross) Mike.

Will do, could you PM your number as I seem to have lost it :oops:

On another note, work has meant I've not managed to get out and check the car for more broken rockers or (hopefully not) bent valevs. Looks like it'll have to be New Years Day and then I can go get the parts day after.

Is it possibly to buy an injector plug separately and wire it on as one of mine is just sitting on the injector without a clip holding it there (if you get what I mean) I did look on Citroen service but I could only find it on the main engine loom which requires the purchase of the whole loom at about £200 or thereabouts :shock:

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Toby_HDi wrote:Is it possibly to buy an injector plug separately and wire it on as one of mine is just sitting on the injector without a clip holding it there (if you get what I mean) I did look on Citroen service but I could only find it on the main engine loom which requires the purchase of the whole loom at about £200 or thereabouts :shock:
If its simply the wire clip you require then I'm sure someone here will have one sitting around.

BTW HDi cam seals are different to XUD TD cam seals.
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Post by CitroJim »

Can you pop up a picture of the connector Toby? I reckon I'll have a spare wire clip knocking around. There are two different types, hence why a picture would be good.
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If the rocker has broken the chances are all the little needle roller bearings (you will see what i mean when you look at the new rocker) from it are sitting in the cambox under the oil, there are about 15 needles in each rocker. I would get a telescopic magnet in there & try & retrieve as many as possible once the camshaft is out. I would get some new vaccum pump seals aswell when removing the camshaft.
With regards to the injector clip I would imagine this is the bosch system & i believe the bosch injectors dont have a metal clip, the clip is a moulded plastic part of the plug, best getting one from a scrappie & soldering the new plug on.
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Post by Toby_HDi »

Needle roller bearings? That doesn't sound good.

I haven't removed the vacuum pump so shoudn't need new seals.

Will try to get a picture. Am about to go out and have a quick look for more broken bits....
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Post by admiral51 »

Oh B$$^^%$S Toby :cry: :cry:

Just got back from BIL and read this thread

Shout if there is anything i can do

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Post by Toby_HDi »

Thanks Colin, hopefully it shouldn't be too bad as it seems only one rocker is broken. Also seems that the valves are intact - at least all the springs are released when cam is removed, none are still compressed.

I think I'll replace the one rocker, re-time, and go for a start.

Can't find any evidence of these needle roller bearings, as said possibly sitting in the oil? Will have to invest in a little magnet when shops open again.

As for the clips, I have some pictures:

The first one is a picture of an intact wiring connector so you can see what I mean

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This one is the broken connector

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And in the final one you can see the bit that has broken off

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Post by CitroJim »

Nothing you can do to repair those connectors I'm afraid Toby :( Wheeler has the best solution. Those connectors are used all over later PSA vehicles so you don't necessarily need to rob an HDi for one.

Make a goood job of soldering a new one, they carry a significant current.
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Post by Toby_HDi »

I assume they don't come apart either? Am a stickler for details :oops: just don't want it looking like a repair has been done. Would be nice be able to solder the wires inside the connector so it looks original
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Post by CitroJim »

No, sadly, thay're moulded on to the wires Toby. No option but to do a repair by soldering and heat-shrink sleeving.

I believe the wires going to the injectors are twisted together. It is very important to retain that twist along with the same gauge of wire when doing the repair.

If youbtake car you should be able to more-or-less hide the repair.
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Post by Toby_HDi »

:( My soldering is messy at the best of times :lol: :oops:

Nevermind, I shall concern myself with getting her running again
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Post by Toby_HDi »

Quick question for when I start to put everything back together:

How do make sure the camshaft is in exactly the right place? I know it'll only slot in two ways due to the cutout on the end but how do make sure it is timed correctly? Surely there will be valves open on cylinders 2 and 3 as 1 and 4 are at TDC? How is the camshaft fitted so it holds the valves open?

I will have to retime from scratch :oops:
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