Tales of a C3, a Goddess and some BMW's.

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:D good trainers?

Dickie pleased to hear the nasty stuff has gone forever.. money comes and goes....

I have been watching a patch of rust grow around the windscreen pillar on the chevy van :( dont want to face it.. a new screen will be over a grand and I cant risk breaking it :(

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In for a penny in for a pound :?: :?:
If anyone has any other ideas for my defence (literally) please pass them on ASAP in case I need to think very quickly as I defend myself from a large blade 8-[
Just confess and promise to replace the money, ask her which of the cars you should sell :) :)

Best to ask that when you are miles away on the end of a phone :lol: :lol:

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I hear the French Foreign Legion currently has vacancies Richard....

Still, as you say, it has enhanced the value of a very beautiful car that is appreciating in value all the time.

You're not alone here, I'm terrified to add up what I've spent on a certain V6 recently. Thick end of four figures I reckon if I was brave enough to add it all up :shock:

The worrying thing is that the expense has not ended yet int hat direction :roll:

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If anyone has any other ideas for my defence (literally) please pass them on ASAP in case I need to think very quickly as I defend myself from a large blade 8-[

What my wife has got used to is my time old defense of "well it keeps me out of trouble (cars) and i dont go out all the time spending money on booze and fags...and anyway..its an investment" :lol:

She gives up at that point :wink:

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A somewhat overdue update here :oops: well the Goddess has had the chassis repairs completed now and to give some idea as to the amount of work involved these photo's explain somewhat easier than words

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That was just one tale of the quite significant progress I've recently made with the car, when it was in with Darrin having the welding done he commented that the suspension felt a little on the firm side, despite the two rear sphere's being up to specified pressure with two original split type sphere's recently re-gassed by Martin @ Pleiades fitted at the front. However Darrins comment's got me thinking as the rear sphere's do not have any markings on them whatsoever so I ordered up another pair of split sphere's from Martin and collected them the following morning. When I compared the damper holes between the Pleiades sphere's and the ones fitted to the car it became obvious that the car had been running on the wrong type of sphere, presumably CX ones as the damper hole was noticeably smaller on the old sphere's. With Pleiades sphere's fitted all round the ride is now truly magical \:D/ "Did I see a bump in the road surface back there because I didn't feel it?" :? :D :lol:

Next on the list was to address an annoying whine/rumble which I traced down to the nearside front wheel bearing as the noise would disappear when turning right, ordinarily if a wheel bearing noise reduces when turning right you would expect the fault to lie with the offside bearing but with a DS very little about the car is "normal" and if you've ever seen the size of a DS wheel bearing you'll know exactly what I mean, it is absolutely huge as the driveshaft runs through the centre of the hub and bearing. New front wheel bearings are one of the few parts not available new for a DS as Citroën never supplied the bearing as a separate part so the only repair is to obtain a good second hand hub and then replace the ball joints on the hub as required. Darrin came to the rescue with a good hub that I've now fitted which has sorted out the annoying rumble.

Despite my initial enthusiasm with the thought that I had managed to get the engine idling smoothly on the Goddess, that theory fell apart when I arrived to collect her from Darrin's following the chassis welding. When I dropped her off she'd been running as smooth as can be expected from an engine of that era but now it was a struggle to maintain any idle without assistance by way of pressing on the accelerator. Needless to say I was rather disappointed to say the least having just spent all that money on one job to then have another one rear its ugly head.

Long story short here, but I discovered following very extensive testing over many hours (the reason why I've recently been quiet on the forum) that when the alternator output voltage dropped below 13.5 volts the injection ECU would go all wobbly by way of significantly weakening the mixture which caused the idle speed to drop which in turn caused the alternator output to drop further in a vicious circle until either the engine stalled or was revved long enough to allow the voltage to re-stabilize etc. To overcome this issue Brodie Engineering (DS and SM specialists) advise their modification of replacing the original 50 amp alternator with a modern 70 amp one complete with an integral voltage regulator which I've had fitted and at now long last the Goddess finally appears to driving as was intended when she was built and driving her is a real pleasure indeed \:D/ \:D/ \:D/[/img]

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Proper job! :D :D :D

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I had been thinking I cant remember seeing a picture of your V6 Richard, so thought id take a look in your Blog. You have 4 very stunning cars there, i love your Xantia line up, the perfect specifacations! Your DS looks equally nice.

I had not noticed you had put pictures up of them, very nice to see your collection. 8)

Though you had promised interior pictures of your V6 and VSX earlier in the thread, would be nice to see! :lol:

Your V6 will have the best of both worlds, the nice light leather but without the light carpets :)

A very good blog, ill have to keep an eye on this one more often :lol:

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I can confirm Chris, that Richard's V6 looks really lovely with the cream seats and dark carpet. It being Mauritius blue finishes it off a treat.

We missed a tremendous photo opportunity on Saturday actually, My V6 was parked right behind Richard's on his drive. Both Mauritius blue, they looked like twins...

As Richard said: "Here we have a 6.0 Litre V12 Xantia" :lol:

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Citroenmad wrote:Though you had promised interior pictures of your V6 and VSX earlier in the thread, would be nice to see! :lol:

Your V6 will have the best of both worlds, the nice light leather but without the light carpets :)
Here's the V6 interior, the VSX picture will have to wait as its parked in storage elsewhere.
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Right with the piccie done a little bit of catching up to do here as I've rather neglected this blog. The V6 had been sitting in my driveway up until very recently as the tax had run out just prior to going on holiday to Kos in August and with Dawn enjoying the delights of convertible motoring it was pointless re-taxing it until just a couple of weeks ago not because Dawn particularly wanted to drive it but I needed the use of an automatic as I recently had surgery to sort out a hernia I've been suffering from for some time. Thankfully the operation went well, it was a day surgery treatment with a general anesthetic but I was rather surprised to be on my way home just an hour and a half after I came out of theater, no messing about at Ascot Hospital! As a result of that surgery I've been off work for and recovering but unable to wield my spanners on a number of jobs I really want to knock off my list of things to do such as re-seal the engine oil sump on the V6 as it drips oil at random intervals.

My Hdi has been running well apart from a couple of issues which are really starting to bug me, the first one is that the heater fan runs fine on manual speeds but when becomes rather erratic when set to auto. I've used my Lexia to try and diagnose the fault but it points to a faulty earth or feed,,,,,somewhere, any clues? Having taken a cursory look at the obvious potential cause I'm now at the stage where I'll be replacing parts wholesale :x .

The second issue is one of wheel wobble, the car has always suffered from it to some degree and to that extent I have replaced the driveshafts (one was new from Citroën, the other a spare from my store of used parts) and recently I had four new tyres fitted to the Exclusive wheels which are always a challenge to get balanced correctly due to the lack of a centre hole. If anything the vibration was worse with the new wheels so I've had them rebalanced which has improved things but the wobble remains. I'm now left having to swap wheels with my V6 to eradicate the wheels from the investigation but at the same time I'm now pointing my finger towards one of the driveshafts as I've recently noticed that when I'm braking very gently below 10 mph a slight stiffness can be felt in the running gear as if one of the driveshaft U/J's is stiff so I'll have the front wheels off the ground and "run" the car in gear at speed whilst I observe the driveshafts to what side is causing the problem.

The Goddess is now effectively in hibernation away from the salty roads which gives me the time to investigate a few issues that have come to light over the summer, one is a slight drip onto the top of the gearbox which I'm told will be a leaking steering rack, the other is the short interval between the HP pump operating (its about 20 seconds) and that the front of the car tends to drop too soon for my liking after switching off the engine (I've replaced the accumulator). Whilst it could be leaking rams somewhere another possibility is that the pressure regulator is out of adjustment due to the spring being under tension for thirty seven years. In order to investigate this I've just bought a 200 BAR hydraulic pressure gauge which I'll attach to a pipe I'll borrow from my sphere tester so that I can observe at what pressure the regulator is cutting in and out. Should I find anything then I'll be visiting Martin at Plieades for a replacement pressure regulator.

Like the Goddess my VSX is tucked up in the garage at work hidden under a dust cover, when I'm working I always run the engine and A/C for a good thirty minutes every fortnight to keep the A/C seals lubricated and exercise the suspension.

Dawns' BMW just works, day in, day out, although it did have one hiccup with the climate control panel a couple of months ago when the screen went blank and we lost all control of what was happening both with the temperature and A/C which would run at random :? . New climate control panels are expensive @ £300 a go but a quick search on the internet revealed a link to a straightforward fix of obtaining a component from Maplins for 69p then soldering it in, job done :lol: . Whilst BMW's aren't for everyone, its not difficult to see why they are so popular when I compare the constant fettling necessary with a Citroën with the get in and go every day from the BMW :(

My BIL has a 2.1 Exclusive Xantia he bought through me a couple of years ago, the car has a very good history file but we really ran into problems having changed the cam belt whereby the crankshaft pulley bolt would constantly undo despite using Loctite and tightening the bolt "F" tight. The car trashed two pulleys which caused great concern due to the potential for damaging the crankshaft nose, not to mention the hassle factor and the cost of another pulley. It appears that 2.1's are prone to this fault as when I started looking around to source a replacement pulley a large number of 2.1 engines in cars being broken had already had the pulley removed. Following the second occasion I took Jim with me for a trip out to the seaside (the BIL lives there) where we fitted pulley number three and tightened it up triple "F" tight :lol: an excellent photo opportunity was missed as three of us were backed up against each other with Jim kicking my breaker bar to tighten the bolt. Just to make sure the bolt doesn't undo again a quick spot of weld had been put between the pulley, washer and bolt head.

A couple of weeks ago I popped down to see my parents when my BIL turned up in his Xantia, the trouble was it was several seconds prior to seeing him that I was aware that a car had turned into the close due the awful racket coming from the engine. It turned out to be a knackered bearing in the eccentric pulley, quite possibly due to my BIL not replacing the lower engine covers (good tip Citroenxm-Paul :wink: ) after Jim and I did the pulley.

Last month we had a family trip over to Leuven in Belgium to meet up with some very good friends of mine who live in New Zealand but were also visiting their daughter who has married a Belgian and they were having a christening for their first born. We drove over in my HDi and had an excellent time in an very interesting town. If the name Leuven sounds familiar take a look at a Stella Artois beer can as its where the factory is, hic! More importantly the town hall there is a real sight to behold, the detail cut into the stonework is breathtaking, well worth a visit.

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One thing I forgot to mention is a modification I've carried out to my HDi or to be more precise the Ebersbacher additional heater. This device was originally controlled via the engine ecu but the trouble with that was that it would run at first start up whatever the weather (even on hot summer days), to overcome that (as recommended by Citroën in an Info Rapid) I then fitted an additional temperature sensor so that it would operate only when the outside temperature is below 5°C. That then introduced another problem whereby when the temperature hovered just above 5°C I would have a problem with demisting as condensation would build up on both the inside and outside of the screen until enough heat was generated to evaporate it (turning on the A/C is pointless at such a low temperature as it doesn't operate efficiently and its somewhere around 5°C where the compressor doesn't even engage to due the risk of freezing).

In answer to this issue I've now wired in an additional switch to the dashboard whereby it allows me to control the heater manually so that I can choose when, where and for how long I want the heater to run which is really working a treat, a highly recommended modification.

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DickieG wrote: the detail cut into the stonework is breathtaking, well worth a visit.

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Im a big fan of old architecture and design....that place looks stunning :)

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I carried out a pressure test on the pressure regulator today and discovered that its cutting out too early at 160 BAR rather than the listed 175. Having thought about it this afternoon, bearing in mind that the regulator cuts back in at 140 BAR the loss of additional pressure equates to a loss of over a third of the systems "window" of reserve pressure so I'll be talking to Martin @ Pleiades to source a refurbished regulator.

Prior to fitting the pressure gauge to the regulator I tired out the test on my sphere pressure tester, which proved interesting for a couple of reasons, firstly the amount of effort it took to turn the pump pulley in order to build up pressure beyond 150 BAR (2,200 psi !), the bigger surprise was that the pressure regulator I'm using on the tester didn't cut out even though I pushed it beyond 200 BAR (3,000 psi) at which point I decided to stop rather than risk the whole lot exploding in my face :mrgreen: so that regulator will remain in its place of semi retirement on my sphere tester.

Here's a photo of the gauge in action, the photo is looking at the front of the gearbox where just to the left of the sphere you can see the slot for the starting handle and two hydraulic pipes entering the gear selector mechanism as my car is fitted with a semi-auto gearbox. The two electric contacts are for the reversing switch and to the right of the gearbox is the nearside brake caliper.

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Excellent stuff Richard :D

You know, when you think of pressure in bars they don't seem that high but when you look at them in terms of psi, gosh, that's a lot of pressure!

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Common rail.... 297 bar (4300 psi) at idle, 1650 bar (23925 psi) at full throttle :shock:

The fan in my HDi exhibts the same randomness in auto, and runs in manual all the time..be interesting to see if you can fix it!