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Well the bugger as i know call her, has now sprung a leak. noticed it yesterday when the car was parked over a wet patch after coming out of the national space museum in leics...
Topped her up and checked when home and there was some dripson the floor again so tracked it down to the left had HP outlet, i think, of the HP Pump. Now to me it looks like you have one big hole, which is a kind of reducer for the smaller brake line type bolt that is in the top. I wondered if it was the rubber O ring that is shown on service net but that looks like its more for the large ruducer bolt type thing(sorry dont know technical word) so think either the pipe itself has shift or the flaring inside the whole thing has becom unsettled. maybe the missing bolt on the HP pump is just enough for it to have moved enough to be leaking now???
So guess tomorrow I'll be ringing citroen up for a new o-ring and remove the whole thing and work out whats happened after setting up nieghbours internet as they have just left AOL(well TalkTalk) and are moving onto newnet after never being with anyone but AOL so thats a full works install/setup but should be 2hours or less work including tutorial.
Oh and i'll be ordering that bolt from citroen as ell as reckon it will only be a quid or two
just wish there was a proper cit breakers near me as while there is a pug one they don't have any LHM powered stuff in the back anymore, just one LDS and some Synergies and Xsara things 
Oh and then i have to make sure i have 2 hours free on tuesday night as SGU starts and i refuse to download it when i have HD to watch it in
Topped her up and checked when home and there was some dripson the floor again so tracked it down to the left had HP outlet, i think, of the HP Pump. Now to me it looks like you have one big hole, which is a kind of reducer for the smaller brake line type bolt that is in the top. I wondered if it was the rubber O ring that is shown on service net but that looks like its more for the large ruducer bolt type thing(sorry dont know technical word) so think either the pipe itself has shift or the flaring inside the whole thing has becom unsettled. maybe the missing bolt on the HP pump is just enough for it to have moved enough to be leaking now???
So guess tomorrow I'll be ringing citroen up for a new o-ring and remove the whole thing and work out whats happened after setting up nieghbours internet as they have just left AOL(well TalkTalk) and are moving onto newnet after never being with anyone but AOL so thats a full works install/setup but should be 2hours or less work including tutorial.
Oh and i'll be ordering that bolt from citroen as ell as reckon it will only be a quid or two


Oh and then i have to make sure i have 2 hours free on tuesday night as SGU starts and i refuse to download it when i have HD to watch it in

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Well today finally from citroen i picked up the bolt for the wishbone and the bolt i thought was for the HP Pump bracket. doesn't look right to me but it will be interesting to see how it goes when i get the cahnce to get over to the car and put these on and the new HP line...
The biggest thing i can face is getting the line back in(nightmare it was to get out with everything in place) and get the clip bits off the old pipe as i know if i leave them off the pump will only go again due to engine vibration
thanks again to Martin for the Pipe. It was a tiny bit longer so i must have measure wrong but i've put a small Z in the pipe to take the slack out and the refit should show if this works or not
The biggest thing i can face is getting the line back in(nightmare it was to get out with everything in place) and get the clip bits off the old pipe as i know if i leave them off the pump will only go again due to engine vibration

thanks again to Martin for the Pipe. It was a tiny bit longer so i must have measure wrong but i've put a small Z in the pipe to take the slack out and the refit should show if this works or not

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Well its all back together 
The pipe was a bit long and a mare to bend into the right shape so currently it doesn't have the restraining straps fitted onto it. it fits snug enough and doesn't seem to foul on anything without due cause so is ok in my eyes as a stop gap measure.
The bolts from citroen were naff and certainly not the right ones. the wishbone one is too short and the wrong thread diameter so have had to botch that as well.
The car drives ok but needs an MOT soon as it was due at end of the month just gone
everything seems ok it stops and goes and corners ok and all lights were working...
Ride is a little harder than i recall but some citroebics will cure that and anew battery as the current one has had it
Think a trip to Plaides is on the cards for the pipe to be done properly and the spheres all to be done...

The pipe was a bit long and a mare to bend into the right shape so currently it doesn't have the restraining straps fitted onto it. it fits snug enough and doesn't seem to foul on anything without due cause so is ok in my eyes as a stop gap measure.
The bolts from citroen were naff and certainly not the right ones. the wishbone one is too short and the wrong thread diameter so have had to botch that as well.
The car drives ok but needs an MOT soon as it was due at end of the month just gone

Ride is a little harder than i recall but some citroebics will cure that and anew battery as the current one has had it

Think a trip to Plaides is on the cards for the pipe to be done properly and the spheres all to be done...
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It never rains but it pours....
Looks like the heater matrix has had it as the car is a bit like a swedish suana when driving now and even gives a nice puff of steam from the vents when the heat is turned from cold to hot. Only lasts a second like but still shows its gone to the matrix yard in the sky...
Looks like the heater matrix has had it as the car is a bit like a swedish suana when driving now and even gives a nice puff of steam from the vents when the heat is turned from cold to hot. Only lasts a second like but still shows its gone to the matrix yard in the sky...
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Get some K-Seal in there, you'll be surprised what it can do.
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Nooooooooooooooo
Not K-Seal, that stuff is the work of the devil.
Forte Stop Leak is the stuff.
Sorry to hear this Will
Still, it's only a heater matrix replacement job and then all will be perfect. Just a days work....

Forte Stop Leak is the stuff.
Sorry to hear this Will

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Sorry Jim i have to disagree, its great stuff, so good that it temporarily stopped a K series head gasket from leaking from the block! My old TD (now back in my possession) had this added nearly 2 years ago and to the best of my knowledge, isnt leaking from the matrix.CitroJim wrote:NoooooooooooooooNot K-Seal, that stuff is the work of the devil.
Forte Stop Leak is the stuff.
Sorry to hear this WillStill, it's only a heater matrix replacement job and then all will be perfect. Just a days work....
Radweld is the one that blocks the galleries and clogs the channels in the radiator. It makes a right mess.
I have always been sceptical of anything like this, but i tried it, and it worked. It could save you a lot of hassle pulling the dash out, enough time to sort it properly when the spring arrives.K-Seal® is formulated with ceramic micro-fibres and copper fines of varying size to ensure a fast and permanent seal of all holes or cracks (up to 0.75mm large) in the cooling system.
The special chemical formulation can flow into cracks so fine that they cannot even be seen with the naked eye to form a super-strength seal. The crack or hole is actually filled from top to bottom with the K-Seal® formula resulting in a complete ‘weld’ and permanent repair.
The copper in the K-Seal® formulation not only contributes to the strength of the repair but it also helps to conduct heat across the crack or hole. This eliminates hot spots that would normally form with a non-metallic repair. Copper is also very friendly to copper, bronze and aluminium radiator cores, which makes it safe to use with all types of radiators.
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Ok had its MOT today and.....
It failed
only on a track rod end though. Advisory on the brake pad wear cables being cut and the brakes binding a little at the front which i suspect is the handbrake cable adjustment being off but the pad wear indicator was just a verbal one 
So track rod on order (£11 GSF) and Kseal bought to try tonight as well and old one came off quite easier than i thought. Even the nieghbour who is an ex pug tech but now works on locos said that was dam easy and looked a bit baffled while i unscrewed it by hand after taking off a little bit with the wrench
Will need to get tracking done no doubt but thats more fun as well as spending £72 filling the bugger up today, £1.129 it cost per litre now for Vpower. when she was lasr rolling it was just over a squid!
It failed


So track rod on order (£11 GSF) and Kseal bought to try tonight as well and old one came off quite easier than i thought. Even the nieghbour who is an ex pug tech but now works on locos said that was dam easy and looked a bit baffled while i unscrewed it by hand after taking off a little bit with the wrench

Will need to get tracking done no doubt but thats more fun as well as spending £72 filling the bugger up today, £1.129 it cost per litre now for Vpower. when she was lasr rolling it was just over a squid!
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K Seal is very tenacious stuff. My V6 had been dosed with it to try to stem a matrix leak and despite a really good flushing (including block) a new rad, matrix and transmission cooler, you can still see coppery bits floating around in the header tank
Likewise, I can still see coppery bits in my kitchen sink from where I flushed the smaller bits of the cooling system. That's why I'm not happy with it as it's hard to get rid of and why I described it as the devil's handiwork. Forte looks like milk and I reckon it could be flushed out a lot easier.
The usual failure of a matrix is not the matrix itself but the O rings on the matrix joint hardening. This is not the elbow joint which is accessible but the joint within the matrix itself where the two plastic pipes attach and this is inaccessible.
Forte, I believe, is made of bamboo or some such organic matter and is better suited to the kind of leaks made by duff O rings. It certainly sorted my 2.1TD matrix for a long time.
K Seal, going on how it works Gareth, would appear to be great for sealing cracks in metal but I'm not so sure how it would get on in the more flexible world of plastic and rubber; Forte seems to have the edge here.

The usual failure of a matrix is not the matrix itself but the O rings on the matrix joint hardening. This is not the elbow joint which is accessible but the joint within the matrix itself where the two plastic pipes attach and this is inaccessible.
Forte, I believe, is made of bamboo or some such organic matter and is better suited to the kind of leaks made by duff O rings. It certainly sorted my 2.1TD matrix for a long time.
K Seal, going on how it works Gareth, would appear to be great for sealing cracks in metal but I'm not so sure how it would get on in the more flexible world of plastic and rubber; Forte seems to have the edge here.
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Copper particles may be hard to shift, but are they doing any harm? My feeling is no, the particles are minuscule and wont do any damage to the cooling system or its components.
Forte is very good stuff generally. They do a special cooling system cleaner that removes oil from the system after HGF on the K series, and it works very well.
Forte is very good stuff generally. They do a special cooling system cleaner that removes oil from the system after HGF on the K series, and it works very well.
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I pulled up at a BP garage yesterday, and started filling. Until I noticed that Ultimate was £1.209 a litre! It only got £20 worth...KP wrote:Will need to get tracking done no doubt but thats more fun as well as spending £72 filling the bugger up today, £1.129 it cost per litre now for Vpower. when she was lasr rolling it was just over a squid!
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