Citrojim's Saxo and Cycling Tales

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

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Yes those early Daihatsu 3 cylinder engines were great. Lots of low down pull for such a tiny engine, and although the 3 cylinder design gives a noticeable vibration around 1500 rpm (unloaded) they were otherwise very smooth and revved to over 6500 easily and willingly, a bit like the smaller GS engines...Lots of fun to drive in the turbo version.

A very busy engine bay though, the turbo is a force fed carburettor with a plumbers nightmare of emissions devices around the carburettor that makes the Xantia V6 plumber nightmare area look tame. :twisted: (I never did figure out where some of the small vacuum hoses that had detached themselves belonged... :lol: )

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I never knew how much horse power that thing was, but according to this page it was 50kW (68hp) and 106Nm (mine was the CB60)

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Five speed gearbox and air conditioning too!

Ah, fun times. The thing that killed the engine in mine was that mine was a bit of an oil burner - which caused the oil level to get too low on a long trip when it hadn't been checked for a while, which seized the turbo ! The turbo was later reconditioned and it did a few more years until rust claimed the chassis...

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Re: Citrojim's Xantia and XM Tales

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I'm guessing you're referring to a 3.5mm Aux In socket Jim?

Why they took that off the S2 Xantia baffled me as I used to love climbing in Dad's Activa as a kid with my iPod in my pocket as I got what I wanted on the radio rather then being tortured to Radio 4... which as a kid was pretty horrid!

The C1's are nice little cars. They certainly handle city life well as when I had one as a courtesy car I was amazed at how I could throw it round the city centre. I also remember having a great laugh with a mate in it when we realised how quickly we could throw it round the corners in a Glasgow Multi Storey Car Park :D

Fingers crossed it proves reliable, Jim. It'll certainly be more economical then my latest purchase **whistles**

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DHallworth wrote:I'm guessing you're referring to a 3.5mm Aux In socket Jim?
That's exactly right David =D> Excellent! The salesman made a specific point of drawing my attention to it.

I really miss it on my S2 Xantia...
DHallworth wrote:It'll certainly be more economical then my latest purchase **whistles**
The ES9 V6 Activa must be far more economical than a TCT surely?

Unless you're driving it like you stole it of course :lol:

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The Activa V6 is wonderfully economical Jim.

I replaced the burnt out Range Rover yesterday. The average consumption on the new toy was 14.1mpg when I test drove it!

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Do you have a figure yet David, or are you just saying its far better than 14 ? :-D

My bet is if you drive it conservatively the V6 will beat the TCT easily, because you have so much low down torque that you don't need to rev it to keep up with the traffic flow... ;)

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DHallworth wrote: The average consumption on the new toy was 14.1mpg when I test drove it!
Gosh :shock: What is it? An aircraft?

:lol:

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Probably, when he encountered any sleeping policemen (in spite of the suspension)!

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Mandrake wrote: My bet is if you drive it conservatively the V6 will beat the TCT easily, because you have so much low down torque that you don't need to rev it to keep up with the traffic flow... ;)
The TCT is not short of torque Simon... It pulls some very tall gears very impressively...

The TCT is a low compression engine with poor VE when the turbo is not spinning. It's much better with a will spun-up turbo and on a trip it can be surprisingly good. I've had 39mpg out of a TCT cruising at 70 on a motorway. That's good but around town they are atrocious...

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CitroJim wrote:
Mandrake wrote: My bet is if you drive it conservatively the V6 will beat the TCT easily, because you have so much low down torque that you don't need to rev it to keep up with the traffic flow... ;)
The TCT is not short of torque Simon... It pulls some very tall gears very impressively...

The TCT is a low compression engine with poor VE when the turbo is not spinning. It's much better with a will spun-up turbo and on a trip it can be surprisingly good. I've had 39mpg out of a TCT cruising at 70 on a motorway. That's good but around town they are atrocious...
I managed 36mpg over 600 miles fully loaded in my Activa, before Mrs Northern_Mike crashed it. Much as you say, 65-70mph cruising on long motorway journeys.

27mpg was more usual though.

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I wonder if the gears from another ML5 box would be able to replace the standard 5th and drop it down to nearer 2000revs instead of 3000revs at 70? this would help no end surely..

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There are plenty of those Bubble Cars( sorry Jim,C1'S) around with over 100k.
They get seriously used as you can actually go places without putting a handfull of tenners in the tank.
That is fun itself don't you think?

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And they're still infinitely better than the s**t our parents used to take us hundreds of miles on holiday in! Viva van, Simca 1000, Honda Civic Mk1, Lada. .

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KP wrote:I wonder if the gears from another ML5 box would be able to replace the standard 5th and drop it down to nearer 2000revs instead of 3000revs at 70? this would help no end surely..
Potentially Will as the fifth gear pinions can be swapped without removing the box from the car. The only problem is the fifth synchro hub has at least three pingfuckits in it so the job is not easy...

Research may show the Activa box has the same fifth gear ratio as any other and the overall lower gearing compared with say, the HDi or V6 box is entirely down to the final drive ratio. Research is needed..

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lexi wrote: They get seriously used as you can actually go places without putting a handfull of tenners in the tank.
That is fun itself don't you think?
That's good to hear that they're good for 100K :-D

They are serious fun. The engine is so revvy and willing. I'm loving mine to bits :-D

Mike, so true!

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You'll slide backwards into a 2CV at this rate. Small, revvy, Spartan... Can you see where this is leading? :mrgreen: