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Concerning the BX, that noisy and ugly plastic toy that rusts
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Still, at least there are a lot of impartial/unbiased opinions on this post then.
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As much as I like my BX, I think if I were to have an accident, I would much rather be in the wifes car with its multiple airbags, side impact bars, belt pretensioners, etc, etc........odd individual cases aside, overall, you are MUCH better off in a newer car than an older one.
Back to the original post, go for a diesel every time-it will hold what little value it has for a longer time than a petrol one. Look at the BX, the vast majority of the surviving ones are diesel.
Back to the original post, go for a diesel every time-it will hold what little value it has for a longer time than a petrol one. Look at the BX, the vast majority of the surviving ones are diesel.
That "insubtantial feeling" is actually a design philosophy: the BX was designed to be lighter than comparably-sized cars and that's why you can have reasonable if not sparkling performance in your 1.4, while the 1.4 versions of contemporary cars in the BX's class were more feeble. Strangely enough, the "tinny and flimsy feling" BX seems to resist rust better than many of its peers.
As I understand it, there is a tempation in the car industry to design cars with the specifics of the NCAP test in mind: collisions which involve angles a few degrees off the prescribed NCAP marks may provide quite different results.
As for the risk of injury angle, I don't know the criteria of the Which test, and whether it was a tick-list of features, but there is Swedish insurance industry crash data available online which has previously been discussed on this forum. This gives some reasonably reliable real-life data on risk of injury to compare the BX with its contemporaries, and with later cars.
I admit that this is written with a strong pro-BX bias, but then I have some funny ideas about cars - and one of the best "daily-use" cars I have ever driven was a CX....
As I understand it, there is a tempation in the car industry to design cars with the specifics of the NCAP test in mind: collisions which involve angles a few degrees off the prescribed NCAP marks may provide quite different results.
As for the risk of injury angle, I don't know the criteria of the Which test, and whether it was a tick-list of features, but there is Swedish insurance industry crash data available online which has previously been discussed on this forum. This gives some reasonably reliable real-life data on risk of injury to compare the BX with its contemporaries, and with later cars.
I admit that this is written with a strong pro-BX bias, but then I have some funny ideas about cars - and one of the best "daily-use" cars I have ever driven was a CX....
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dillosk8ter
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With respect 'Tinny and flimsy' has little or no impact on rust, older Volvo's which are the exact opposite rust badly so don't quite get the point you were trying to make?
Madasafish, agree with you, when it comes to impact I'd rather be in the Xantia although the BX problems are mainly due to the age of the cars nowadays, the most recent being 11/12 years old and its also a reflection on the BX's low, low used price so many are simply bought by people with very little money to fix them and run into the ground or the suspension 'breaks down' which really means its spheres replaced which is genral maintanace for pneumatic Cit's.
The which test results are based on crash tests.
Also I have found that the lightweight construction of the BX makes it more skittish in some conditions, the heavy winds we had recently my BX was alot more difficult to control and blown about than my ZX.
Madasafish, agree with you, when it comes to impact I'd rather be in the Xantia although the BX problems are mainly due to the age of the cars nowadays, the most recent being 11/12 years old and its also a reflection on the BX's low, low used price so many are simply bought by people with very little money to fix them and run into the ground or the suspension 'breaks down' which really means its spheres replaced which is genral maintanace for pneumatic Cit's.
The which test results are based on crash tests.
Also I have found that the lightweight construction of the BX makes it more skittish in some conditions, the heavy winds we had recently my BX was alot more difficult to control and blown about than my ZX.
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This is of course a logarithmic scale.......
Are you sure, Jeremy? I seem to recall that Drag = Cd 1/2 rho v squared S. Where Cd is the drag coefficient, rho is air density, v is velocity and S is frontal area. Sorry about the horrible format but I don't know how to produce scientific formulae on the forum. Be that as it may, it would appear to show drag coefficient as being a linear value.
Are you sure, Jeremy? I seem to recall that Drag = Cd 1/2 rho v squared S. Where Cd is the drag coefficient, rho is air density, v is velocity and S is frontal area. Sorry about the horrible format but I don't know how to produce scientific formulae on the forum. Be that as it may, it would appear to show drag coefficient as being a linear value.
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Activa, silver MK1 (221bhp stock) stripped out with twin sparcos Evo seats. 95
Activa, light met red MK1 98
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Activa, dark met blue MK1 (202bhp stock) 96
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The BX is now an old car and as such has none of the safety futures of the new cars. 2 things I defiantly know.
1 I’ve jacked up at least 10+ different BX's using only the front cross member that supports the radiator I wouldn’t and haven’t done this on my Xantia due to the crumple zones and the extra weight of the car (I did on the 406 on purpose as a test and the front of the car collapsed!).
2 I walked away from a really nasty ascendant after being the driver of a BX and with being 6ft9" tall (44" inside leg) and not suffering any leg injuries that’s pretty amazing.
I now own Xantia’s, because I know they have extra safety features the BX didn’t have with most of the things I liked about the BX. however the BX structure is impressive (for its age), especially considering a AX,205,306, ZX, escort or even 309 (I’ve had these cars apart I know what there built like...).
Andy
1 I’ve jacked up at least 10+ different BX's using only the front cross member that supports the radiator I wouldn’t and haven’t done this on my Xantia due to the crumple zones and the extra weight of the car (I did on the 406 on purpose as a test and the front of the car collapsed!).
2 I walked away from a really nasty ascendant after being the driver of a BX and with being 6ft9" tall (44" inside leg) and not suffering any leg injuries that’s pretty amazing.
I now own Xantia’s, because I know they have extra safety features the BX didn’t have with most of the things I liked about the BX. however the BX structure is impressive (for its age), especially considering a AX,205,306, ZX, escort or even 309 (I’ve had these cars apart I know what there built like...).
Andy
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Looking at a 1988 UK brochure for the BX online, the rust prevention treatments they put them through are very impressive, its no wonder that you very rarely see a rusty one, see:
http://wind.prohosting.com/brochure/bxc1213.html
The BX is still one of my favourite Citroens, love the styling which is wearing very well and is very distinctivly Citroen. Like the '80's futurism look. Great seats, smooth ride....if, when time comes I came across an excellent TD I may consider it. The only things that I don't like really are the lightweight build and at least on mine unimpressive handling; but I've been driving a ZX for years which is well known for great handling. This brings me onto my next point, ActivaV6uk you say that the BX structure is impressive (quite possibly)especially considering the (esp) ZX, you know what there built like. I've had a ZX for five years now, no problems at all ever, still drives just as well as when I bought it and in immaculate condition both externally and internally so I'd argue that they are rather well built, definatly above average build quality.
http://wind.prohosting.com/brochure/bxc1213.html
The BX is still one of my favourite Citroens, love the styling which is wearing very well and is very distinctivly Citroen. Like the '80's futurism look. Great seats, smooth ride....if, when time comes I came across an excellent TD I may consider it. The only things that I don't like really are the lightweight build and at least on mine unimpressive handling; but I've been driving a ZX for years which is well known for great handling. This brings me onto my next point, ActivaV6uk you say that the BX structure is impressive (quite possibly)especially considering the (esp) ZX, you know what there built like. I've had a ZX for five years now, no problems at all ever, still drives just as well as when I bought it and in immaculate condition both externally and internally so I'd argue that they are rather well built, definatly above average build quality.