Saxos not that bad are they?
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The Saxo is one car I'll never be buying.... sat in one in a showroom, or rather tried to -- but couldn't get behind the wheel without knees jamming on the dashboard and various other inconvenient contortions. Amazed the steering column couldn't adjust; and cannot figure how anything but chimps could possibly fit it, considering I'm a reasonably average 5'10" tall.
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``You get what you pay for’’ has been said already.
My better half bought her Saxo in ’97 for three reasons… I recommended Citroen, she liked the car and it fell in her budget.
To be honest I looked down on the humble Saxo, from the Xantia’s lofty heights as a poor relation. Eight years on I’ve changed my opinion. Why? I recalled all the occasions I’d used it get to work because my Xant was waiting for parts, needing repairs etc, etc.
Apart from replacing `consumables’ it’s never thrown toys out of pram and doesn’t need constant maintenance. Does exactly what it says on the tin… [:D]
I guess she bought a good car after all… but don’t tell anyone I said that !! [:)][;)]
Cheers
Steve
My better half bought her Saxo in ’97 for three reasons… I recommended Citroen, she liked the car and it fell in her budget.
To be honest I looked down on the humble Saxo, from the Xantia’s lofty heights as a poor relation. Eight years on I’ve changed my opinion. Why? I recalled all the occasions I’d used it get to work because my Xant was waiting for parts, needing repairs etc, etc.
Apart from replacing `consumables’ it’s never thrown toys out of pram and doesn’t need constant maintenance. Does exactly what it says on the tin… [:D]
I guess she bought a good car after all… but don’t tell anyone I said that !! [:)][;)]
Cheers
Steve
What's interesting is that the Saxo is the only example of real badge engineering that Peugeot Citroen have indulged in and this doesn't seem to be a trend thats going to continue.
I think the reason lies in the AX which in itself was a brilliant example of what can be aachieved by making a bodyshell really light. The problem of course is what happens in a crash and its end was hastened by some bad test results.
I expect an updated AX was originally on the cards but shelved because of these problems and an all new shell had to be produced for AX and 106 which in its original form wasn't that much better.
Of course producing new shells is very expensive and the 'Individuality' budget has gone to get a safer car but for time and budgetary reasons the car had to be shared except for minor details.
This car is of course quite old now and whilst I'm sure its excellent would seem destined to be replaced by C2 and soon C1.
Its a brave road tester who, having been extravagantly hosted by a manufacturer turns round and says - 'Why have you bothered - your old model was much better!' The buying public also aren't that impress4ed if they can only buy the car they bought 7 years ago and like something that looks different and seems to have new features. After all modern Citroens don't seem even to rust away now - but I'm pleased to see Vauxhall and Ford carrying on this proud manufacturing tradition.
jeremy
I think the reason lies in the AX which in itself was a brilliant example of what can be aachieved by making a bodyshell really light. The problem of course is what happens in a crash and its end was hastened by some bad test results.
I expect an updated AX was originally on the cards but shelved because of these problems and an all new shell had to be produced for AX and 106 which in its original form wasn't that much better.
Of course producing new shells is very expensive and the 'Individuality' budget has gone to get a safer car but for time and budgetary reasons the car had to be shared except for minor details.
This car is of course quite old now and whilst I'm sure its excellent would seem destined to be replaced by C2 and soon C1.
Its a brave road tester who, having been extravagantly hosted by a manufacturer turns round and says - 'Why have you bothered - your old model was much better!' The buying public also aren't that impress4ed if they can only buy the car they bought 7 years ago and like something that looks different and seems to have new features. After all modern Citroens don't seem even to rust away now - but I'm pleased to see Vauxhall and Ford carrying on this proud manufacturing tradition.
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Looking at the safety results - here http://home.zonnet.nl/CitroenCrashTest/index.html You'd be safer crashing in a Saxo than in a Xantia.
I'll believe that when I see it, but it's a worthwhile point. As with most things which people endlessly complain about (Microsoft Windows, fast food, cheap cars..) the Saxo can't be that bad if so many people bought it. People vote for what they like with their wallets.
I'll believe that when I see it, but it's a worthwhile point. As with most things which people endlessly complain about (Microsoft Windows, fast food, cheap cars..) the Saxo can't be that bad if so many people bought it. People vote for what they like with their wallets.
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My wife has driven a Peugeot 106 - a better trimmed Saxo:-) - for 11 years. Looks far better than most Fiestas/Corsas/Novas/Escorts of the same era. Minimal rust. Only broken down once- clutch cable snapped.
Mind you..the design is NOT tolerant of lack of maintenance: unlike Fiestas.(My son has a 1993 Fiesta: it's more rusty but MUCH easier to work on.
And on the 106 the orginal components don't seem to last as long as the replacements.
Halfords disks and pads 8 yeras versus 5 for originals.
Mind you..the design is NOT tolerant of lack of maintenance: unlike Fiestas.(My son has a 1993 Fiesta: it's more rusty but MUCH easier to work on.
And on the 106 the orginal components don't seem to last as long as the replacements.
Halfords disks and pads 8 yeras versus 5 for originals.
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The Saxo is one car I'll never be buying.... sat in one in a showroom, or rather tried to -- but couldn't get behind the wheel without knees jamming on the dashboard and various other inconvenient contortions. Amazed the steering column couldn't adjust; and cannot figure how anything but chimps could possibly fit it, considering I'm a reasonably average 5'10" tall.
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ahhh they do come with seats on what they call "rails" that let you adjust them.... [:D]I'm 5'11" And drive a Saxo & an AX an neither are too small...
The Saxo is one car I'll never be buying.... sat in one in a showroom, or rather tried to -- but couldn't get behind the wheel without knees jamming on the dashboard and various other inconvenient contortions. Amazed the steering column couldn't adjust; and cannot figure how anything but chimps could possibly fit it, considering I'm a reasonably average 5'10" tall.
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ahhh they do come with seats on what they call "rails" that let you adjust them.... [:D]I'm 5'11" And drive a Saxo & an AX an neither are too small...
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Please don't compare a Saxo with a Xantia. It would be like comparing a sparrow with a falcon... [8D]
AX, Saxo, ZX, Xsara, C4, C3, C2, BX, GS, are all sparrows.
Xantia, XM, CX, DS, are falcons.
Finally, the SM is an eagle.
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ahhh right yes i understand your perculiar bird theory.... it took a while but i think I've cracked it.....
You're meaning the AX & Saxo are similar to Sparrows because they are small & quick and popular....
Whilst the Xantia, XM, CX, & DS are like Falcons because they are old, dusty & usually found in museums...
And i presume you compare the SM to an Eagle because it looks too big its funny looking & and is also usually found in a museum.. which is where its should stay... [;)]
Please don't compare a Saxo with a Xantia. It would be like comparing a sparrow with a falcon... [8D]
AX, Saxo, ZX, Xsara, C4, C3, C2, BX, GS, are all sparrows.
Xantia, XM, CX, DS, are falcons.
Finally, the SM is an eagle.
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ahhh right yes i understand your perculiar bird theory.... it took a while but i think I've cracked it.....
You're meaning the AX & Saxo are similar to Sparrows because they are small & quick and popular....
Whilst the Xantia, XM, CX, & DS are like Falcons because they are old, dusty & usually found in museums...
And i presume you compare the SM to an Eagle because it looks too big its funny looking & and is also usually found in a museum.. which is where its should stay... [;)]