Navidrive 3D

This unit is the NG4 system, made by Harman Becker.
Main Features: DVD, Voice Commands, HighRes Display, 3D Mapping, Bluetooth Hands Free, Independent Phone with MDS Module, SD Card, USB, Jukebox.

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Re: Navidrive 3D

Post by hoggers » 18 Jan 2017, 23:07

GiveMeABreak wrote:Could of had a bit of a whack then! There's a lot of kit in these head units - but fingers crossed. I've just finished editing your images Ben as they were a little on the big size! I'll send you the link via your registered email - don't type it here (spam control) I have it already. :wink:
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Re: Navidrive 3D

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Re: Navidrive 3D

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Re: Navidrive 3D

Post by GiveMeABreak » 18 Jan 2017, 23:27

hoggers wrote:How much is a new aerial? [emoji51]
New from Citroen for the Aerial base is £42.59 Inc. VAT (Excluding fitting).
Before you order one of these - it would be a good idea to get it on a Lexia / Diagbox (the specialist diagnostic hardware and software used by Peugeot / Citroen / DS Automobiles) - as the NG4 ECU can be interrogated to see if it can determine where the problem lies. I'll assume you don't have this kit, so have a look here at members with kit who are willing to help out - there may be one near you who will be able to help out. That may give some clue as to whether the unit has had a bad knock or whther the aeria has been damaged in the impact Ben.

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https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... 19&t=56452

The aerial path runs from the rear Driver's side through the back rear headlining and then down the passenger side to the front:
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Re: Navidrive 3D

Post by hoggers » 18 Jan 2017, 23:30

GiveMeABreak wrote:
hoggers wrote:How much is a new aerial? [emoji51]
New from Citroen for the Aerial base is £42.59 Inc. VAT (Excluding fitting).
Before you order one of these - it would be a good idea to get it on a Lexia / Diagbox (the specialist diagnostic hardware and software used by Peugeot / Citroen / DS Automobiles) - as the NG4 ECU can be interrogated to see if it can determine where the problem lies. I'll assume you don't have this kit, so have a look here at members with kit who are willing to help out - there may be one near you who will be able to help out. That may give some clue as to whether the unit has had a bad knock or whther the aeria has been damaged in the impact Ben.

Forum members with Lexia Kits:
https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... 19&t=56452

The aerial path runs from the rear Driver's side through the back rear headlining and then down the passenger side to the front:
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Ah I think we are getting somewhere. I've noticed a ripple in the head liner rear passenger a pillar. I suspect it's been pulled down at some point.

Will check out the members with lexia kits now.

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Re: Navidrive 3D

Post by Paul-R » 18 Jan 2017, 23:31

GiveMeABreak wrote:This will be the first Nav 3D unit I've heard of to date that has the no satellites visible issue - the only one previous was on the Mark II C5 with the RT3 Navidrive system and that was a Magneti Marelli unit.
Is that not the same as mine? Or at least the aerial part is.

https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... 15#p495679

In my case I had already had the roof aerial and amplifier replaced before the satnav displayed the no satellites visible message and it took a replacement radio head unit to fix this.

On my car the radio aerials are printed onto the rear side windows. The roof aerial is for the satnav and possibly phone but, as I haven't put a SIM card in, I don't know.

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Re: Navidrive 3D

Post by GiveMeABreak » 18 Jan 2017, 23:35

hoggers wrote:
Ah I think we are getting somewhere. I've noticed a ripple in the head liner rear passenger a pillar. I suspect it's been pulled down at some point.

Will check out the members with lexia kits now.

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When you say pulled down Ben - if it has had a side impact it is very likely that the Side Curtain Airbag has deployed! It is therefore possible that the wiring loom may have been pulled out of the aerial unit or elsewhere - so a bit of careful detective work is needed - and be VERY careful whilst working near airbags. :shock:

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Re: Navidrive 3D

Post by hoggers » 18 Jan 2017, 23:36

Looks like Mike T is the closest to me in Dorset


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Re: Navidrive 3D

Post by Paul-R » 18 Jan 2017, 23:41

hoggers wrote:I do know that it's a CAT D that had side impact damage ...
As was my car!
hoggers wrote:... and I wouldn't be surprised if it damaged the aerial in the process.
In your case I doubt it would have damaged the aerial unit/amplifier although doesn't mean that it hasn't gone wrong for another reason. If there is damage it's more likely to be the antenna lead itself damaged depending on where the impact was.

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Re: Navidrive 3D

Post by GiveMeABreak » 18 Jan 2017, 23:42

Paul-R wrote:
GiveMeABreak wrote:This will be the first Nav 3D unit I've heard of to date that has the no satellites visible issue - the only one previous was on the Mark II C5 with the RT3 Navidrive system and that was a Magneti Marelli unit.
Is that not the same as mine? Or at least the aerial part is.
Hi Paul - no yours was possibly the RT6 if memory serves. This is the Navidrive 3D and Ben's car has had an impact on the side as we are beginning to piece this together - so it's quite possible there has been some aerial loom damage - let's see. At least the cables are available in sections.
Paul-R wrote:In my case I had already had the roof aerial and amplifier replaced before the satnav displayed the no satellites visible message and it took a replacement radio head unit to fix this.
On my car the radio aerials are printed onto the rear side windows. The roof aerial is for the satnav and possibly phone but, as I haven't put a SIM card in, I don't know.
The aerial base part number for Ben's is 6561RC - there are several versions (of course there would be wouldn't there :roll: ). but the NG4 is uber reliable Paul - heard very few issues with these at all in comparison with the RT6 and the EEPROM chip errors these suffer from. :wink:

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Re: Navidrive 3D

Post by GiveMeABreak » 18 Jan 2017, 23:49

Paul-R wrote:In your case I doubt it would have damaged the aerial unit/amplifier although doesn't mean that it hasn't gone wrong for another reason. If there is damage it's more likely to be the antenna lead itself damaged depending on where the impact was.
When you look at the diagram the loom goes right through where the airbag explodes - so it wouldn't be past the realms of possibility. Some careful back tracing needs to be done - but the headlining is very fragile. When you got the car - was the side airbag replaced I wonder. In either case, the aerial and the wiring has to be the cheapest place to start troubleshooting - you don't even want to be asking me how much a new NG4 head unit is.

You do? Ok, £2,551.00 :shock: :shock:

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Re: Navidrive 3D

Post by hoggers » 18 Jan 2017, 23:59

GiveMeABreak wrote:
Paul-R wrote:In your case I doubt it would have damaged the aerial unit/amplifier although doesn't mean that it hasn't gone wrong for another reason. If there is damage it's more likely to be the antenna lead itself damaged depending on where the impact was.
When you look at the diagram the loom goes right through where the airbag explodes - so it wouldn't be past the realms of possibility. Some careful back tracing needs to be done - but the headlining is very fragile. When you got the car - was the side airbag replaced I wonder. In either case, the aerial and the wiring has to be the cheapest place to start troubleshooting - you don't even want to be asking me how much a new NG4 head unit is.

You do? Ok, £2,551.00 :shock: :shock:
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Re: Navidrive 3D

Post by Paul-R » 19 Jan 2017, 00:13

You can buy a heck of a lot of Tom-Toms or Garmins for that.

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Re: Navidrive 3D

Post by mickeymoon » 19 Jan 2017, 00:29

You can buy a pretty decent car to put the TomToms and Garmins in too!

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Re: Navidrive 3D

Post by myglaren » 19 Jan 2017, 07:33

For that you could probably but one installed in a car.