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Michael
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106 brakes

Post by Michael » 08 Apr 2002, 21:48

The brakes on my 1995 106 diesel are best described as 'god awful', when I first bought the car I had them checked by Peugeot thinking there was some problem with them, but was told they were fine. Anyway, since then I have fitted cross drilled/grooved front discs and performance pads and although fade is now non existent, initial pedal feel and overall stopping performance, especially when cold is still quite poor. Would replacing the drums for discs improve matters considerably, or should I consider fitting larger calipers at the front?? Bearing in mind I want to stick with my 14" alloys and don't want to change them for anything bigger, cheers..
m chapman

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Post by NiSk » 09 Apr 2002, 11:39

Hi Mike!
Performance pads are designed to work under more extreme conditions than standard pads, i.e. they work better the hotter they are. Therefore you will experience a delay in thier effectivity until they reach working temperature. Unless you are going to rally or race the car, you will get little effect from rear discs: 85% of all braking is done by the front brakes!
I suggest you take contact with a brake specialist and ask for a suitable pad for your requirements.
//NiSk

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Post by paul141 » 18 Jun 2002, 05:19

the brakes on 106s vary from car to car, pedal height is governed by adjustment on rear brakes. clean the slides and pad holders and use a bit of copper slip, make sure the pads move easy and the calipers moves easy on the slides (before you pump the brakes)
Have you bled the system, did the flow from the claipers look OK?
Paul

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Post by Michael » 24 Jun 2002, 02:08

When replacing the discs/pads I THOROUGHLY cleaned all the calipers, when I bled the brakes the flow of fluid out of the calipers seemed fine, but the braking is still c@*p!! After talking to a mechanic he told me to upgrade to GTi spec calipers and discs, but after looking into this I have found that the size of discs on my car and the GTi are the same, 247mm diameter, the only difference between them being the discs from the 106 GTI are vented whereas mine aren't. I wouldn't have thought this would make a significant difference in braking power, or am I wrong? Any ideas!!!
m chapman

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Post by Dave Burns » 24 Jun 2002, 02:21

Gti caliper's might have bigger piston's or even multiple piston's in them, if they have this will make a big difference as they will be able to exert more force for the same input pressure.
Is your servo working as it should be and is the vacuum pump doing what it should be doing, sucking like buggery.
Dave

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Post by Michael » 28 Jun 2002, 15:52

Just had my entire braking system checked by a garage and all is well!!! Everything is working as it should. So I got the mechanic to drive the car, when he came back (I can't repeat what he said!), he is going to look into how I can improve the performance of the braking system. He believes the brakes aren't that good because although the discs are the same size as the petrol versions they can't cope with the extra weight of the diesel engine, how does this sound??
m chapman

Chris106xsi
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Post by Chris106xsi » 02 Jul 2002, 04:57

To be honest, all 106's have very very poor pedal feel when it comes to braking. This is due to the lack of decent servo assistance. My xsi still has poor pedal feel after fitting uprated pads and discs. Although it will stop brilliantly, the pedal pressure needed is just something you have to get used to.
The 205 GTi has a similar setup, but responds much better due to the bigger servo.
The only real option is to upgrade the calipers and discs to bigger ones such as the 266mm setup from the 206gti/306xsi/405MI16, or the 283mm setup from the 306 GTi6.

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Post by Michael » 03 Jul 2002, 02:12

Would upgrading to 266mm/283mm discs and calipers mean I would also have to change my alloys to accommadate them? Or would they fit under 14" wheels??

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Post by Chris106xsi » 03 Jul 2002, 03:11

The 266mm ones will fit under 14's.
The 283's need 15's
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Post by Michael » 03 Jul 2002, 16:53

Cheers for that, im off to buy some 266mm discs/calipers, should compliment my rear disc conversion quite nicely....

Galvo
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Post by Galvo » 19 Jul 2002, 00:44

I'd just like to add that after replacing the standard brake fluid with automec silicone brake fluid on my car, pedal feel was greatly improved. Also it doesn't need changing and doesn't rot the pipes and cylinders.

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Post by Michael » 22 Jul 2002, 01:38

Where can you buy the automec brake fluid? Are there any drawbacks to using this as opposed to 'regular' brake fluid?
m chapman

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Post by paul141 » 22 Jul 2002, 21:23

All of the above sounds good stuff BUT i have a 106 XND 1400 that has fantastic brakes, much better than my daughters (106 1500D) ones and my other daughters (106 1100P)
I have no mods, no vents (new calipers req to fit them)BUT I will say that we have had some calipers that "just work better" in the workshop and have sent some back because they make the brake balance out. It is true that a lot of the running gear is no differant from diesel to petrol (exhaust is the same as well)

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Post by just4funUK » 27 Aug 2002, 17:36

To be honest when first got my car Peugeot 106 1.5D N plate Reg may 96 found the Brakes to be pretty poor.(Under statement)
one set of disks warped under heat.Noticed vibration at motoway speeds and whern braking could feel peddale moving.(Peugeot dealer replaced Disks)and charged me for pads this was under warranty at the time.
Had the car checked at two Peugeot Dealers that both said Brakes where OK.
Couple weeks later getting tyre's replaced on the front.The mechanic said feel the heat of these bolts.(Bolts where nearly that hot you couldnt hold them )Told me brakes ware not working correctly probably binding.(so it went in again)
Peugeot Garage tried to fix problems with brakes.But to be honest always had problems with brakes untill got brakes done some where else.Let Kwik Fit replace Disks and pads.Have had no problems with disks warping since.
So Main Dealer not always the best people for the Job.(In my case they were not)
106 N Escapade 1.5D 83K No mods

Michael
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Post by Michael » 01 Sep 2002, 02:38

I have the exact same car, 106, 1.5D Escapade, N reg. I also had to replace my a set of discs, first because they warped secondly because the calipers were sticking. Eradicated this problem by fitting performance discs, had them about 2 years and no sign of warping (yet!!).
m chapman