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No start please Help

Post by Gus306 » 17 Dec 2018, 22:11

Hi all

I am in a spot of trouble i have a little 306 1.9 Diesel turbo been a nice little car, i have today 17/12/2018 changed the glow plugs as had a big smoke issue the change of glow plugs has cured the smoke issue as it started straight away however after it started it took it for a drive and all was fine got home swtched off and didnt think any more about the car, BUT!!!!!! after sitting for a few hours and obviously cold the car will now not start!

i have tried the warming plugs up with the 3 or 4 times trick with no joy, i have bled the fuel bowl but again no joy

any help ad guidance would be great guys

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Post by white exec » 17 Dec 2018, 22:41

Hi, and welcome!

That sounds very sudden. Check that 12v is reaching the stop solenoid (on top of the injector pump) as soon as the IGN is switched on, and remains powered up until the IGN is switched off, including while cranking.

If that's OK, try pumping the fuel priming bulb until it goes solid, and then continue to pump it while cranking the engine. (You may need an extra pair of hands with this.)

Apart from the smoke, did the car start OK (if hesitantly) beforehand?

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Post by Gus306 » 17 Dec 2018, 22:49

Hi there Chris

And thank you for the welcome!!

I will check the solenoid, ofcourse light is now the issue so will have to do this in the morning and come back to you on that front! i have tried priming until solid however i havnt tried doing this while cranking, again i wil try that also,

However yes apart from the smoke the car ran beautifully, i have just done a trip from scotland to Romsey in the car too, as you said this is very sudden

Thanks for your reply will await your response
Gus

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Post by white exec » 17 Dec 2018, 23:04

Reason for suggesting the continual pumping is to try to combat any air-in-fuel, which injection pumps don't like handling.

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Post by Gus306 » 17 Dec 2018, 23:12

Ok Chris

Will deffenatly try this and i have just had a huge realizastion Its occured to me that i have left the little 8 ml nut off of the second plug, do you think this could be the problem? and would it have done any damage? it dawned on me after just emptying my pockets and ofcourse the nut came out of my pocket

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Post by Pug_XUD_KeenAmateur » 17 Dec 2018, 23:27

Gus306 wrote:
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i have left the little 8 ml nut off of the second plug, do you think this could be the problem?
Yes, more than likely the feed wire has come off which powers the entire rail. Plug 2* should have the terminal for the Glowplug rail and a second connector on it, which is the feed from the Relay (taped white in my photo).

Done my own Glowplugs just today, oddly enough.

*Cylinder No. 3. Contrary to logic, you count right to left, so No.4 is at the CamBelt end

NB: I was surprised to note a tightening torque for these of just 15-20Nm, not very tight at all... and delighted that they all came undone no problem at all, after a week's daily Plus-Gasing and running up to temp first.
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Post by Gus306 » 17 Dec 2018, 23:33

Hey there Puxa

And thank you for your info yes Cylinder No. 3. is the one that i left the littel nut off so you feel this is the culprit and the root of the headache?? would i have done any other damage??

will await your reply

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Post by white exec » 18 Dec 2018, 08:46

No damage, just impaired starting!

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Post by Gus306 » 18 Dec 2018, 11:01

Hey guys

Thanks for all the replies so far, after priming whilst cranking ect still no joy!!!

and i cant get that 8 ml nut on the second plug, the fuel pump is in the way causing a big headache :grr: :grr: :grr:

Dose anyone know any tricks to get this little nut back on, will await your responces

Thanks
Gus

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Post by sparksie » 19 Dec 2018, 04:07

Alas, that's one of those jobs where the BoL might say something like "considerable dexterity is required".
I can usually get them started on the thread by holding them between index finger and long finger, but I've dropped a lot of them too.
If the feed wire is long enough, there's no reason not to put it on a more accessible plug, ideally not 1 or 4, which will leave less obstacles in your way.
You can prove that this is the problem quite easily. hold the feed wire on the top of one of the plugs and have somebody start it. If it starts easily, perhaps with a slight misfire and smoke, you know the glow plugs are working and the problem you have is that you didn't connect them.
Hook them up properly and all will be well

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Post by xantia_v6 » 19 Dec 2018, 04:16

If you have a socket the correct size for the nut (and can get it into the correct position) then you should be able to wedge the nut into the socket with a bit of paper towel, or some blu-tak as you prefer.

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Post by white exec » 19 Dec 2018, 08:20

If the small nut annoyingly goes too far back into the socket, place another one underneath it, to bring the required nut to the front. Hold both in place with a dob of grease.

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Post by myglaren » 19 Dec 2018, 10:25

If there is insufficient clearance for a socket then a ratcheting ring spanner may do the job.
A bit of blue tack should hold the nut in place until it catches on the thread.

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Post by Gus306 » 19 Dec 2018, 15:56

UPDATE!!!!!!

Hey all Thanks for replies and your advice! i ended up taking the intercooler off and managed to get the nut back with no avail, however the car has started with a bump start a huge billow of white smoke but after the billow the smoke cleared i turnt the engine off and then it started with the fist flick of the key!

am just having a cuppa tea and updateing your loverly people and will then try starting again will let you know the out come!!

Thanks again guys
Gus

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Post by myglaren » 19 Dec 2018, 16:52

Nice to hear that you got it going without too much trouble Gus!