307 Antipollution Fault

[shooey]

So, just spoke to 2 local pug dealers (stockton and darlington)...

Dealer 1: Stockton)
- its £70 + VAT to do the job.
- the additive costs £42 a litre.

The dealer was saying that if the additive tank isnt topped up it will just ruin the filter (GREAT - considering I have driven it 180 miles home, plus 30 miles a day commute to work [three days this week], plus mileage getting it looked at).

Dealer 2: Darlington)
- its around £250+ for the job (i.e including parts and labour). they cant give me an exact price.
- if i want a diagnostic job done then its £78 all inclusive.

These guys are much more friendly and helpful than the first. They said I am better off just getting a proper diagnostic done from them so they can tell me exactly whats wrong. Rather than pay £200 upwards to fill the additive up - only to find that I still have a fault.

What do I do? Get the additive tank filled up, only to find that the filter still needs replacing? I cant find anyone who would remove the DPF/FAP... and i cant get anyone with a PP2000 diagnostic tool to look at it till next weekend.

Someone needs to setup a business just removing particle filters - then could be making serious money.

[rookie]

Hi Shooey

I can only tell you about my own personal experience.
I have had a problem with my auto box for many moons now, I have tried the odd bits and pieces and the odd suggestions I have been given, but to be honest, without me putting mine onto the PP2000 which has just arrived, I was shooting in the dark.

My advice would be to either get it someone with a lexia or if needs must, then get it onto the sdealers diagnostics.

What i believed was originally wrong with mine is only a small part of what the PP2000 tells me is wrong. Best you know the full extent and the exact problems before strting to try to rectify what might not be the biggest problem.

Afraid I live about 350 miles away from you otherwise you could have used my lexia any day of the week.

Bottom line, get it on diagnostics and get to the root of it.

cheers

[Citroenmad]

The people at the Stockton one seem ok but could really be more helpful at times. Thankfully ive only used them a few times for parts and a key programming.

You said you got a garage to set a regenerate going on the FAP? Do you know if it did its job? It could well be your car dos have a little bit of fluid left but its shouting at you because it needs topping up. The FAP doesnt regenerate all the time, only when the filter needs a clean and only when the conditions are right. If your lucky the filter will be fine, if the car has been driven for a while like this (before you got it) you might not be.

The stockton garage will be able to check it on their software to see what is the problem too, though if the Darlo one has suggested that first it might mean they are willing to get to the bottom of the fault.

Ive not installed Peugoet planet yet, ill give it try and ill let you know. I might well be in the Middlesbrough area later anyway ...

... Ah, just got your PM. Let me know if you still want me to have a look at it on PP when you have the fluid topped up

[shooey]

Gonna go with a diagnostic now before I top up the fluid/additive.

Now I just need to decide whether I should get a diagnostic done from the dealer or the specialist?

[CitroJim]

Chris, Peugeot Planet will happily co-reside with Lexia on the same laptop and the installation is pretty much the same as for Lexia...

Shooey, generally for areas such as this a specialist is best. All this is still in black magic territory for most dealers and whilst they can look at it using diagnostics there's no guarantee they'll understand what they see or know properly how to fix it...

Peugeot Planet (and Lexia) is a wonderful tool but it does not deliver answers on a plate. You need to be able to interpret what it's telling you and that means you must understand the underlying principles of operation of the system you are diagnosing.

[shooey]

Chris, Peugeot Planet will happily co-reside with Lexia on the same laptop and the installation is pretty much the same as for Lexia...

Shooey, generally for areas such as this a specialist is best. All this is still in black magic territory for most dealers and whilst they can look at it using diagnostics there's no guarantee they'll understand what they see or know properly how to fix it...

Peugeot Planet (and Lexia) is a wonderful tool but it does not deliver answers on a plate. You need to be able to interpret what it's telling you and that means you must understand the underlying principles of operation of the system you are diagnosing.

So bottom line, take it to a specialist.

I know one member of this site has already spoke well of Citroematic (my local for the Middlesbrough area) so i'll take it to him on Tuesday.

[Citroenmad]

Chris, Peugeot Planet will happily co-reside with Lexia on the same laptop and the installation is pretty much the same as for Lexia...

I thought as much Jim, just have not got round to installing the PP yet.

So bottom line, take it to a specialist.

I know one member of this site has already spoke well of Citroematic (my local for the Middlesbrough area) so i'll take it to him on Tuesday.

Probably wise, I could help you with the diagnostics but it would then need repairing ...

Yes, ive used Citromatic a few times, just be careful you don't get given their Ford Escort courtesy car, its central locking woulnd't let me back in for ages We also bought a C5 from them about 3 years ago which needed work doing to it, they were very helpful.

[shooey]

I just need to know if its the additive tank that needs topping up or if its the particle/particulate filter that needs replacing.

If its the particulate filter then I am off down b'ham to return it.

If you can plug in your kit and tell me the above (perhaps a bit more like: the system says you need to put 'x' amount of Eolys fluid in the additive) then thats great.

Only problem is... the clocks ticking - I may have to take it back this weekend as the next two weeks are going to be to busy at home.

[shooey]

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[shooey]

p1477 or p1447

if i'm getting an antipollution fault and engine man. light... when the diagnostic tool is connected to the 307 should I see a P1477 or P1447 fault code? The reason I ask is that I cant quite remember what the actual fault code was, only that the tool said Particulate filter.

After some research it seems that both codes dont seem to say anything DIRECTLY about the Particulate filter/DPF/FAP (or whatever you guys call it):

Site: http://www.mavericktechnology.co.uk/con ... ault-codes
Fault Code:
- P1477 Additional fan relay circuit malfunction/EDC15C2-Coolant solenoid valve
- P1447 ELC system closure valve Flow fault/EDC15C2- PEF filter pierced or differential pressure incorrect.

Site: http://www.pikit.co.uk/peugeotmt/CodeDescriptions.html
- Fault Code: P1447 For EDC15C2; Check for inverted pipe configuration on differential pressure sensor or water ingress.

[CitroJim]

Shooey, were those codes obtained from a PP2000 or from a generic code scanner? I'm never one to fully trust those generic readers and if that was the case, I'd place much more faith in faults detected by a PP2000. Hopefully Chris can do the honours and then you can at least then go to get it sorted armed with positive an accurate information.

It is easy to do screen dumps from a laptop based PP2000 and then you can have proof positive.

[shooey]

nah not PP2000. The readouts were from universal scanners such as Snap-On Solus and ETHOS.

I can either take the car to Citroematic - but then there's no guarantee they use PP2000. WHen I spoke to the guy there he wouldnt tell me, rather he wanted to know why I was asking.

If Chris can sort me out then excellent but I really need to take the car back to b'ham this weekend (after that I wont have time).

[CitroJim]

but then there's no guarantee they use PP2000. WHen I spoke to the guy there he wouldnt tell me, rather he wanted to know why I was asking.

Cheeky sod Garages hate people who might just know more than the average punter and have knowledge. Personally, if he won't tell after an explanation that you've taken advice then I'd tell him to very politely that you do not wish to use his services and find a mechanic who does use PP2000.

[shooey]

Yes the dilemma continues... Take it to a dealer, take it to a specialist... or get someone with pp2000 to look at it.

If I can work out what each cable is I'll build my own kit and download the software. After the hassle I've been through I'll gladly help someone else out for free.

Looks like my brothers mate has a pp2000. But he's in bradford and I'm concerned about possibly damaging the dpf with all that extra travelling. It'll cost me £30 in fuel as well, by which time I could have paid the specialist.

[Citroenmad]

If Chris can sort me out then excellent but I really need to take the car back to b'ham this weekend (after that I wont have time).

Sorry ive not got back to you about this, this isn't the best week for me and Ive still yet to upload PP onto my laptop.

Im busy at the weekend again but im free Monday afternoon or all day Tuesday, if you can wait till then, I'll be around to give the PP a try on your car.

If not, going to a specialist would be my option, Citromatic will be able to tell you what is wrong and fix it too. Id give the dealers a miss with this one.