Pug 406 110 HDI Estate - Aye or Nay ????

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Pug 406 110 HDI Estate - Aye or Nay ????

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Hi All,
Am thinking of adding a '52 Pug 406 Executive estate to my Citroen fleet - any advice?? Polite answers only please !!

Many thanks,
John.
My chariots : 2002 Pug 406 110 HDI Executive Estate 138K
1995 Citroen AX 1.0 Debut 26K
I Blame it all on my Dad!! (Sadly had to give up driving & his 2nd BX) but Mum still has a C1.
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I should add that I am most interested in 406 owner's opinions.
Merci Bien,
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My chariots : 2002 Pug 406 110 HDI Executive Estate 138K
1995 Citroen AX 1.0 Debut 26K
I Blame it all on my Dad!! (Sadly had to give up driving & his 2nd BX) but Mum still has a C1.
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Post by CitroJim »

My lad has a 2.1TD 406 and it's been a most reliable and stoic (in the face of his abuse of it) chariot. They're tough old birds that don't seem to have many showstoppers...

I'd never swap a Xantia for one as I find the suspension is absolute rubbish after the Xantia but for a reliable workhorse I reckon they're very hard to beat, especially an estate...

In the end, they're just a simplified Xantia with tin springs...
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Thank you CitroJim

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For your excellent response and advice - Many Thanks, Regards, John.
My chariots : 2002 Pug 406 110 HDI Executive Estate 138K
1995 Citroen AX 1.0 Debut 26K
I Blame it all on my Dad!! (Sadly had to give up driving & his 2nd BX) but Mum still has a C1.
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Post by Peter.N. »

Hi John

Its taken me a long time to bite the common rail bullet, but I now have and bought a 406 estate. The main thing that convinced me was the fact that there are a number of 406Hdi's for sale with over 300,000 miles on them.

I have been delighted with mine bar the hard suspension as Jim says, but compared with many modern cars, its good! It has averaged well over 50 mpg for the last 4000 miles and returned over 60 mpg on our recent trip to the north of Scotland. I paid £950 for it but it had done 189k when I bought it and has a dent in the n/s sill, I have added about 6k to this without anthing serious going wrong.

I still much prefer the ride of the XM but the 406 is tolerable and in other respects much nicer to drive. I shan't be getting rid of my XMs any time soon but am mainly using the 406 because of its economy - not that the XM is bad.

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Thank you Peter.N

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Hi Peter,
60mpg ? Wowsers !! As for the hard suspension, that sounds great for my caravan !! Thank you so much for your helpful response.
Regards,
John.
My chariots : 2002 Pug 406 110 HDI Executive Estate 138K
1995 Citroen AX 1.0 Debut 26K
I Blame it all on my Dad!! (Sadly had to give up driving & his 2nd BX) but Mum still has a C1.
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Post by Peter.N. »

I do drive a bit slow though John :D
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Post by ianckt739 »

I'm glad I stumbled across this thread, I currently have a non-French car bought in haste when my Citroen was written off by an uninsured driver and have regretted it since 20 minutes after I bought it.

I'm thinking of making the switch back to a 406 (used to have a P reg 1.9TD) but there seem alot more HDi models available, with which I am not so familiar. I was worried the HDi engines wouldn't be as reliable as the TD, I just remember horror stories of the injector/ECU failures on the HDi engine my C3 had. I know they are a totally different engine family but I just had that niggling worry about them. Glad I'm not the only one but more glad to hear good things about them!

Can't do much at the moment as the wifes due to go into labour any time but having a look at what's out there for now and weighing up the options.

Sorry for slightly hi-jacking your original post!
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Post by dieselnutjob »

the main issue is the dual mass flywheel on the 110bhp HDI (and the 2.2). The 90bhp has a solid flywheel. There is a Valeo conversion kit for the 110 though. The 2.2 HDI is a lot more complex than the 2.0 HDI and harder to fix as well.

Automatics with AL4 transmission should be avoided IMHO.
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Post by Peter.N. »

According to the Haynes manual my 110 hp doesn't have a DMF but according to ebay it does ?? :?

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Post by Oldpug »

dieselnutjob wrote:the main issue is the dual mass flywheel on the 110bhp HDI (and the 2.2). The 90bhp has a solid flywheel. There is a Valeo conversion kit for the 110 though. The 2.2 HDI is a lot more complex than the 2.0 HDI and harder to fix as well.

Automatics with AL4 transmission should be avoided IMHO.
I was anti DMF and considered the solid kits until I saw a report on them.This is all manufacturers.The engines are designed for a DMF, cranks have broken,bellhousing cracks,vibrations etc.I cant remember the article but it will make you think.
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