hello,
ANyone know how much an engine re-build costs? & how long it takes? and any good places in W Yorks?
I've spoken to LAD & they'll do the whole thing for 1500 which includes uprated Cams, port polish etc etc etc & that bumps up the power to 115 from 85 as standard.
Cant decide to go for that or just get a basic re-build & start tweeking myself from there.
Any opinions?[:p]
Citroen AX TU3 Engine Rebuild? Questions!
Moderator: RichardW
csk -
tell me - are you honestly & seriously prepared to invest UK£ *1500* in rebuilding your engine ? - for your 10y's old (or more) AX ?
And that's just the engine rebuild - then you first have to remove the engine - and refit it when job done. Unless you find another donor engine.
Look around for a low miler post '88 BX14 which have the same type TU 75Bhp engine in dead standard setup. Add a double carb setup - and you are close to 100Bhp peak.
Would cost you little more than a 100.
tell me - are you honestly & seriously prepared to invest UK£ *1500* in rebuilding your engine ? - for your 10y's old (or more) AX ?
And that's just the engine rebuild - then you first have to remove the engine - and refit it when job done. Unless you find another donor engine.
Look around for a low miler post '88 BX14 which have the same type TU 75Bhp engine in dead standard setup. Add a double carb setup - and you are close to 100Bhp peak.
Would cost you little more than a 100.
I agree with Anders on this one; this is a huge amount of money to spend on an engine rebuild!
Its about 3 to 4 times the cars worth; if you want to go quickly use the money to get yourself a good Golf or 205 GTI!
Even a basic rebuild with rebore, new rings, pistons, oil-pump, shells, crank-grind, and the millions of other odds and sods; oil seals, gaskets, circlips, head-skim, valves, springs and so on, is going to cost I would reckon about 500 notes and thats if you do all the dismantling and rebuilding yourself!!!
Its about 3 to 4 times the cars worth; if you want to go quickly use the money to get yourself a good Golf or 205 GTI!
Even a basic rebuild with rebore, new rings, pistons, oil-pump, shells, crank-grind, and the millions of other odds and sods; oil seals, gaskets, circlips, head-skim, valves, springs and so on, is going to cost I would reckon about 500 notes and thats if you do all the dismantling and rebuilding yourself!!!
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uhn113x
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Hi CSK
Aaaarrrggghhh - you might as well light a bonfire with fivers. If I could not do the work myself, I would just get an engine from a scrappy. I would probably do the same, if I could find a car written off because of accident damage. Or do what Anders suggests - BXs are virtually given away here!
Plenty of good yards here in West Yorks!
Note to BXBodger - it is not what the car is worth that is to be taken into account, it is the replacement cost [:)] It would make sense to spend £200 on a £100 valued car, if replacing it would cost £500; that is the purchase cost plus sorting out faults. And <b>all</b> secondhand cars have these!
Aaaarrrggghhh - you might as well light a bonfire with fivers. If I could not do the work myself, I would just get an engine from a scrappy. I would probably do the same, if I could find a car written off because of accident damage. Or do what Anders suggests - BXs are virtually given away here!
Plenty of good yards here in West Yorks!
Note to BXBodger - it is not what the car is worth that is to be taken into account, it is the replacement cost [:)] It would make sense to spend £200 on a £100 valued car, if replacing it would cost £500; that is the purchase cost plus sorting out faults. And <b>all</b> secondhand cars have these!
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cheesesliceking
you tellin me i could get a decent 205 gti or a Golf Gti for 1500 that I wouldne ned to do ANY work to??
The only thing wrong with the AX is the engine, the body is rust free & Dont want any other car.
The 1500 was all in ,including removal re-wiring, VAT etc. I'd stand no chance of finding the BX Engine Anders, besides if its just as old its going to me just as worn out id have thought
suppose i coudl always just switch it for a VTR lump
The only thing wrong with the AX is the engine, the body is rust free & Dont want any other car.
The 1500 was all in ,including removal re-wiring, VAT etc. I'd stand no chance of finding the BX Engine Anders, besides if its just as old its going to me just as worn out id have thought
suppose i coudl always just switch it for a VTR lump
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cheesesliceking
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Note to BXBodger - it is not what the car is worth that is to be taken into account, it is the replacement cost [:)] It would make sense to spend £200 on a £100 valued car, if replacing it would cost £500; that is the purchase cost plus sorting out faults. And <b>all</b> secondhand cars have these!
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Hi uhn113x
Thats why i wanted to keep the car & change the engine! you just seemed to explain it better than i did! cheers![:)]
I dont see the advantage of sourcing a seperate engine? wouldnt it just mean more £'s for the purchase of it? & then i'd have no idea of the condition. then there's removal & transport. hmm not seeing the advantage to be honest.
BTW, where in West Yorks is you? have you seen the huuuuuuuuuge Yard near the White Rose in Leeds?? biggest ever but a total mess the guys have no clue ...[B)]
Note to BXBodger - it is not what the car is worth that is to be taken into account, it is the replacement cost [:)] It would make sense to spend £200 on a £100 valued car, if replacing it would cost £500; that is the purchase cost plus sorting out faults. And <b>all</b> secondhand cars have these!
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Hi uhn113x
Thats why i wanted to keep the car & change the engine! you just seemed to explain it better than i did! cheers![:)]
I dont see the advantage of sourcing a seperate engine? wouldnt it just mean more £'s for the purchase of it? & then i'd have no idea of the condition. then there's removal & transport. hmm not seeing the advantage to be honest.
BTW, where in West Yorks is you? have you seen the huuuuuuuuuge Yard near the White Rose in Leeds?? biggest ever but a total mess the guys have no clue ...[B)]
I don't see anything dificult in overhauling this engine yourself. As yours has done a considerable mileage there may be advantages in doing another lower mileage one but thats up to you. As far as I can see the engine is another classic Peugeot/ Citroen wet liner engine and therefore won't need boring, just liner/piston replacement. if the bores and pistons are not worn and you just want to freshen it up then a new set of rings may help.
The crank should be measured but if its within limits and unscored then a new set of bearings will bring that back to new spec. grinding and oversize shells will not be very expensive. Obviously the block should be thoroughly examined and cleaned, re-gasketed and the oil pump and its druve replaced if necessary.
You're thinking of head work which is of course rather specialised and may take some time. a spare head will come in useful here. Simply to re-use yours without tuning the valves are going to need attention and should be re-faced/seats cut to ensure a good seal. The rest of the valve mechanism needs a good examination and any worn bits replacing.
This is the work that will be done if you have the engine overhauled or get a recon one - so whats the problem - you don't even have to get these re-bored!
If I was able to find a good low mileage cheap one I would simply as there may well be savings in some of the components (crank grinding etc) and also I could work on it at my leisure rather than having the car off the road. I also have the satisfaction of knowing thaI've done the work and know that the job has been done thoroughly!.
jeremy
The crank should be measured but if its within limits and unscored then a new set of bearings will bring that back to new spec. grinding and oversize shells will not be very expensive. Obviously the block should be thoroughly examined and cleaned, re-gasketed and the oil pump and its druve replaced if necessary.
You're thinking of head work which is of course rather specialised and may take some time. a spare head will come in useful here. Simply to re-use yours without tuning the valves are going to need attention and should be re-faced/seats cut to ensure a good seal. The rest of the valve mechanism needs a good examination and any worn bits replacing.
This is the work that will be done if you have the engine overhauled or get a recon one - so whats the problem - you don't even have to get these re-bored!
If I was able to find a good low mileage cheap one I would simply as there may well be savings in some of the components (crank grinding etc) and also I could work on it at my leisure rather than having the car off the road. I also have the satisfaction of knowing thaI've done the work and know that the job has been done thoroughly!.
jeremy
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I think people are missing the point here- yes it is worth spending 200 odd on a valued car, but no mastter how much I love it I would not pour 1500 quid into my 15 yr old 210000 mile BX!!!!
I could get a very good late Xantia for that or an absolutely top XM. I could also get a Mondeo or a pre-facelift Passat, both good cars!!!
1500 buys you a hell of a lot of late car these days, particularly if you go to the auctions and know what you are looking for- it just is not worth putting into a 10 year old car!!!!
I think people are missing the point here- yes it is worth spending 200 odd on a valued car, but no mastter how much I love it I would not pour 1500 quid into my 15 yr old 210000 mile BX!!!!
I could get a very good late Xantia for that or an absolutely top XM. I could also get a Mondeo or a pre-facelift Passat, both good cars!!!
1500 buys you a hell of a lot of late car these days, particularly if you go to the auctions and know what you are looking for- it just is not worth putting into a 10 year old car!!!!
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cheesesliceking
jeeez! i think I should have made the post a bit more specific..
What I actually asked for was opinions on the engine re-build & what that enatils (pretty much what Jeremy, Anders & uhn113x answered[:D]) & if the price that LAD had quoted was any good taking into consideration the increased power (from 85 to 115). (still unsure of this)
What <u><b>I DIDNT</b></u> ask for were peoples opinions on how i should spend my money & how it wasn't worth it. I agree with you, i think you have missed the point, not once did you offer anything constructive, just your opinions... thanks[xx(]
What I actually asked for was opinions on the engine re-build & what that enatils (pretty much what Jeremy, Anders & uhn113x answered[:D]) & if the price that LAD had quoted was any good taking into consideration the increased power (from 85 to 115). (still unsure of this)
What <u><b>I DIDNT</b></u> ask for were peoples opinions on how i should spend my money & how it wasn't worth it. I agree with you, i think you have missed the point, not once did you offer anything constructive, just your opinions... thanks[xx(]
Would a later 1.4 tu engine out of a scrap saxo or xsara do the job. You can pick up a 95 zx 1.4i engine for £150 with 60k on it from a citroen specialist scrap yard, as ive enquired about it before when i thought my motor was knackered. All u will need to do is swap the injection gear for the carb and bobs your uncle.
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cheesesliceking
[quote]Originally posted by cheesesliceking
What <u><b>I DIDNT</b></u> ask for were peoples opinions on how i should spend my money & how it wasn't worth it. I agree with you, i think you have missed the point, not once did you offer anything constructive, just your opinions... thanks[xx(]
I`m sorry,i`m sure it said at the top "any opinions"???
What <u><b>I DIDNT</b></u> ask for were peoples opinions on how i should spend my money & how it wasn't worth it. I agree with you, i think you have missed the point, not once did you offer anything constructive, just your opinions... thanks[xx(]
I`m sorry,i`m sure it said at the top "any opinions"???
It did say any opinions? I missed that comment by "cheesesliceking" Must admit that the comment was a little ****ty to say the least. A little respect goes on a long way. So what if the suggestions werent what you where expecting. Personally I thought that they were relevant to your orginal post.
"Personally I wouldnt even dream of spending £1500 on a old car which isnt even worth that to begin with. It just doesnt make economic sense to do so"? That my "opinion any way".
"Personally I wouldnt even dream of spending £1500 on a old car which isnt even worth that to begin with. It just doesnt make economic sense to do so"? That my "opinion any way".
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cheesesliceking
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[quote]Originally posted by cheesesliceking
What <u><b>I DIDNT</b></u> ask for were peoples opinions on how i should spend my money & how it wasn't worth it. I agree with you, i think you have missed the point, not once did you offer anything constructive, just your opinions... thanks[xx(]
I`m sorry,
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Apology accepted....
[quote]Originally posted by cheesesliceking
What <u><b>I DIDNT</b></u> ask for were peoples opinions on how i should spend my money & how it wasn't worth it. I agree with you, i think you have missed the point, not once did you offer anything constructive, just your opinions... thanks[xx(]
I`m sorry,
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Apology accepted....