Can anyone assist please part number or OEM for catalytic converter

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Can anyone assist please part number or OEM for catalytic converter

Post by spiff » 02 Jul 2018, 14:58

Good afternoon from a warm Mullion Cove Cornwall : )

Hallo Marc or any one who can kindly assist : )

I am having a lot of trouble locating the correct catalytic converter for my C5.

Citroen Mk1 2003
WK03 LND
Petrol Auto Estate
VIN VF7**************[VIN obfuscated]
RPO 09654
Engine Number LH690831391
Engine Code EW10J4
2.0 16V 1997ccm 136 HP 100KW

The car was first registered in France in 2003 then in the UK in 2011.

Why I have no idea, it is RH drive though there is a service record of the speedometer being changed to a MPH version : )

Please attached images from log book.

This is causing problems with suppliers as the reg number does not resolve the information they require, as below : -

***** New message from: aceparts_uk (870,239)
Hi g8hix,

Can we please ask if your vehicle is an import at all as that registration is sadly not producing much data at all. Sadly we are unable to use the VIN number

If you could confirm the vehicle's model, we will be happy to look further into this for you.

Kind Regards
Martin
aceparts_uk Customer Support *****

I have sent them all the cars details.

Is there a part number or OEM number that would help ?

I am trying to locate the lowest cost cat I can get : )

PART OR OEM NUMBER may help ?

Am I correct in saying that the car is a MK1 or was it a version without a MK number ?

Some listings are typed as C5 1 ?

Is that how my model is referred to ?

Most replacement types I have seen have a two box cat rather than the single one fitted at present ?

God Bless Spiff

An update

New message from: aceparts_uk (870,324)
Hi g8hix,

I have had a look for you and sadly we do not stock a part that would be suitable for your vehicle as we can see that there were many changes for these parts in August 2002- sadly we do not have any parts for your engine code and the 2003 model, we can only apologize for any inconvenience caused.

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Martin
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Re: Can anyone assist please part number or OEM for catalytic converter

Post by GiveMeABreak » 02 Jul 2018, 15:59

Hi Spiff

Ok, so the part you want is the PIPE FRONT EXHAUST TO CATALYST as shown here no 11 on the diagram:

The Citroen Part number is: 170673. The replacement part number is: 9805858780

It's always worth using the proper Citroen Part number - I never use the reg as a lot of supplier databases are just not up to par.
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A lot of places are out of stock Spiff - but I have located one company in Europe that ship to the UK for £298.69 inc VAT. Links:
Main Link , then it is the top item which I have also linked below:
Specific Catalytic Converter

When you consider the main dealer prices below for both the original and replacement part are between £1,000 - £3,000, it 's a bargain!
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There are a couple of shipping options if you need it sooner though.

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Re: Can anyone assist please part number or OEM for catalytic converter

Post by spiff » 02 Jul 2018, 16:40

Thank you Marc for the part numbers and the link. : )

The image of the replacement appears to be a two part job.

Is that the way they supply them now ?

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Post by GiveMeABreak » 02 Jul 2018, 16:58

They tend to show the various parts and how they all fit together - so for your VIN, the three sections for the exhaust system are:
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Hopefully this shows how it all fits together and the various parts :-D

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Re: Can anyone assist please part number or OEM for catalytic converter

Post by spiff » 02 Jul 2018, 17:14

Thank you for your reply Marc,

What I was referring to was as image attached.

Every cat I have found on eBay and others show an image of the cat similar to attached.

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Re: Can anyone assist please part number or OEM for catalytic converter

Post by GiveMeABreak » 02 Jul 2018, 17:29

I see Spiff - So the question remains then as to whether your VIN is not providing the correct info? I see that your model on Citroen Service is reported as a C5 5 DOOR ESTATE 2.0 i 16v 138 4-SPEED AUTOMATIC GEARBOX - which of course is impossible as there are no petrol 138, only a diesel 138......

There is however a 136 as you can see in the diagram below (Your engine code is an EW10J4 RFN according to the VIN)
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So maybe this is something worth checking out with the dealer and see if they can throw any light on things?

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Re: Can anyone assist please part number or OEM for catalytic converter

Post by spiff » 02 Jul 2018, 17:42

Hallo Marc,

From the reading I have done on cats, they are two parts inside one case.

I wondered if the new versions split them into two separate boxes ?

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Post by GiveMeABreak » 02 Jul 2018, 17:54

I'm no expert on the petrol ones Spiff - but the Diesel engines have both a catalytic converter then a particulate filter as seen here:
(15) being the cat and (16) the DPF
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But as far as I know for a petrol Cat, all the components are inside the converter itself...

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Post by spiff » 02 Jul 2018, 18:08

Hallo Marc,

This is a good you tube video very watchable.

Just ignore the joke at the start which he apologises for : )

a nice gentleman who knows his cats : )



Also still image attached from video which shows the two parts of a petrol cat.

God Bless Spiff

Added : ) The reduction and oxidation catalysts are typically contained in a common housing, however in some instances they may be housed separately.
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Re: Can anyone assist please part number or OEM for catalytic converter

Post by Gibbo2286 » 02 Jul 2018, 18:33

If yours has only a single box spiff maybe it's a bodge job from before and isn't a cat at all just a cheap silencer that fitted the space.

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Re: Can anyone assist please part number or OEM for catalytic converter

Post by spiff » 02 Jul 2018, 18:52

It looks to have been there some time : )

Always possible though.

The unit fitted looks very much like the single cat in the image Marc sent further up.

As well as the rattle, if I stop the engine and tap it, it sounds like it has dried peas inside which I assume is debris from the honeycomb.

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Re: Can anyone assist please part number or OEM for catalytic converter

Post by spiff » 03 Jul 2018, 01:03

I sent Cats2u all the cars details including the year and they came back with this as the correct part : -

http://www.cats2u.co.uk/29022/Catalytic ... OEN/C5/2.0

It has the same replacement part number 9805858780.

£139.43 plus £10 next day delivery.

Type approved and with a fitting kit.

It does not tie up with the year, but they say it will fit and the replacement part number is correct.

It looks hopeful : )

As far as I can tell the replacement types are in two part rather than one box ?

It takes longer to source the parts that do the job, without your help I should be lost thank you : )

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Post by GiveMeABreak » 03 Jul 2018, 08:20

Good luck with it Spiff. I note that they specify that is a for an HPi engine.... and can’t see reference to that myself, but if it fits great!

Also another interesting thing about your car. I have just been pouring over the specs from the VIN and notice that the radio frequency was set at the factory to ASIA. That tells me that the car was originally exported / destined for the Asian market and was probably reimported back at some time...

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Post by xantia_v6 » 03 Jul 2018, 09:11

GiveMeABreak wrote:
03 Jul 2018, 08:20
Good luck with it Spiff. I note that they specify that is a for an HPi engine.... and can’t see reference to that myself, but if it fits great!

Also another interesting thing about your car. I have just been pouring over the specs from the VIN and notice that the radio frequency was set at the factory to ASIA. That tells me that the car was originally exported / destined for the Asian market and was probably reimported back at some time...

The car may never have made the trip to asia, it might have been ordered to export specifications with local delivery (e.g. tourist delivery), with the first owner ultimately deciding not to take it home. It is also possible that it was a sample car that was made to export spec, but for some reason the factory on-sold it locally.

Note that with regard to the radio spec, "Asia" just seems to signify ITU region 2, which includes Australia and New Zealand, both of which mandate metric speedometers.