C3 '07 - Programming new remotes & keys

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Not that rare - standard on Exclusives (ours has them on a 2007), but point taken about the alarm! Are you all 'Happy Smiley People' over in Sweden then? :-D

So you have your options - here is the synchronising routine in full (without Diagbox / Lexia):

Synchronise the high frequency remote controls
Perform the following operations:
  1. - Switch off the ignition and take out the key
  2. - Wait 1 minute without pressing the buttons of any remote control
  3. - Place the key of the high frequency remote control to be synchronised in position "ignition+"
  4. - Within 10 seconds, press the locking button for 5 seconds
  5. - Switch off the ignition and take out the key
  6. - Repeat the procedure with the other keys from point N°3, otherwise move on to point N°7
  7. - Wait 30 seconds, the remote controls are synchronised
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Probably not relevant, but Swedish cars probably don't have deadlocking either, it is pretty much a uk-only thing.
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Of course we are! And good looking too! :rofl2:

Exclusives are hard to find here. I've only seen a few.
I've tested the synchronising routine already - didn't work.
But...I've also succesfully tested the cheap ebay remote-kit wired up to the locking button on the dashboard - and it's working! =D>

I give Lexia and the original sender a try first, if it fails this kit will be my next installation. I that case I can make a guide. :wink:
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If the key with the buttons on will start the car then it is being recognised and I can't see pairing using a Lexia/Diagbox having any effect. If the buttons aren't working and the synchronising routine isn't working then the fault must lie in either the transmitter (the key fob) or the receiver (somewhere in the car).

I haven't read back but I think you said that the other key doesn't have buttons so you can't use that to prove (or otherwise) that the receiver part is working, which is a shame. WRT the key fob, if that's at fault, then it has to be either the battery (hopefully) or the circuit board itself. Again, I'm not too sure but I think you said that you've tried a new battery. Possibly it's a duff battery? But if not then it points to either a car problem or the citcuit board in the key fob.

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GiveMeABreak wrote: 26 Mar 2018, 11:31
  • Because when using the key only, the alarm is not active! The alarm is armed and disarmed by using the remote control locking buttons.
  • The Deadlocking Function is only activated by the second press on the remote control locking button
  • The wing mirrors are deployed / un-deployed using the remote fob when locking an unlocking (if fitted)
So it depends whether this is important to you or not.

Come on Van - this is 2018! - the old central locking system in a 2CV of being able to reach all four doors from the driver's seat are long over! :-D


As someone who ran a Cadillac for several years which shed "comfort & convenience" features on a regular basis (I mean one of the electric headrests didn't work when I got it - shock, horror!), I say "So what?" BUT, yes, of course, it is a matter of what's considered important; I just wish sometimes people would stop & reconsider the options.

I'd quite forgotten that old 2CV chestnut but truth is, I never locked mine because I trusted other owners not to nick it - & no one else would be able to drive it! (of course now it's probably worth more than I'd be prepared to spend on a car I suppose, when the time comes, I'll have to learn to be less carefree.)

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Paul-R wrote: 26 Mar 2018, 21:42 If the key with the buttons on will start the car then it is being recognised and I can't see pairing using a Lexia/Diagbox having any effect. If the buttons aren't working and the synchronising routine isn't working then the fault must lie in either the transmitter (the key fob) or the receiver (somewhere in the car).

I haven't read back but I think you said that the other key doesn't have buttons so you can't use that to prove (or otherwise) that the receiver part is working, which is a shame. WRT the key fob, if that's at fault, then it has to be either the battery (hopefully) or the circuit board itself. Again, I'm not too sure but I think you said that you've tried a new battery. Possibly it's a duff battery? But if not then it points to either a car problem or the citcuit board in the key fob.

Just my two penn'orth.


I'm afraid that you're right but I'm willing to give it a try.
Replacing the battery was my first option.
I'm pretty good at electronics and I can't see anything suspicious at the PCB and the receiver is quite rock solid I think.
These years, C3 did only come with one transmitter in our country.
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I gave up the Lexia so this is the alternative:

This is a brief instruction of installing a cheap universal remote kit for locking and unlocking the doors on your C3 in case the original sender is broken.

First of all you have to order a kit like this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm//262905500812?
If this link is dead, search for "Remote Car Control Central Lock System" on ebay.
As you see, they are not expensive, less than £10 - shipping included.

Next step, remove the stereo. You might need a tool for that like two hooks that will be used in the 4 holes next to the stereo.
After that, pop out the locking button on the dashboard. There are 4 small plastic flaps that you have to push gently with your fingers from the inside, then it will come out.
Remove the button from the connector.
Now concentrate on the two cables as seen on the picture. Take a sharp knife and remove the plastic on the cables until the leads will be exposed.

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Check the (crappy) manual to the remote kit. In best case you can see that there are two relays there, independent of each other. Leads 1-6 are usually connected to the two relays. Pick one of them and the two cables that is in the open state. If you not are sure: just test. You can't break anything - neither of them has +12V or ground, they are just open relays.
In my case: white and yellow. Hook those to the exposed cabels and solder them permanently. Seal or cover it with tape.
The box also needs +12 and earth. In my case I found +12 in the fuse box as seen on the picture. I took an old fuse and modifyed it for this purpose.
Remember that some +12V will drop if the car goes in to Economy Mode.

Image

Earth was taken from the nut just over the fuse box.
Thats it!

Now you can toggle lock/unlock by pressing the top button on any of the remotes. None of the other buttons will have any function.
Well, you will not have the flashing confirmation as when you are using the original sender (or key) but I think you can live with that.
The red LED on the button is flashing when the car is locked.
I've noticed one thing: if the car has been locked using the key, unlock with the remote won't work.

Oh! One thing: The old sender have to be present since it has the immobilizer chip.

I have a C3 2008 but I think that this will work on a number of cars that has this locking button.
And for £10 it can be an option in stead of buing a spare original sender för £150-200. You'll get two senders here as well.

Sorry if my english isn't perfect.
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English is fine, very legible.

I would though say that heat shrink tubing to insulate the bared wires is a preferable option to insulating tape as often that location can be quite warm and the heat softens the adhesive and the tape unwraps - may take years but you may eventually get a short circuit and it will inevitably be at the worst possible moment.

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Where's mine Steve? :-D
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You´re absolutely right but in that case the cables has to be cut.
This is an alternative without doing that.
And if you look sharp you can see that I'm using vulcanising tape.
Second point is that shorting the cables won't do any harm.

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Fairy Nuff :)
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This is OT but do you have anything to do with Sweden, myglaren?
Your name, myglaren (profiteer) is also swedish...
And semlor, not to mention...
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Lived in Borås for ten years, sixties to seventies, worked for Josefssons i Borås Postorder and then Brundinateljeerna.
I had heard of the Myglaren film but somewhat misinterpreted what I heard.*
It is only recently that a Swede living in Switzerland sent the film to me.
Too late to change the username now, it is all over the place.
The other is Liljanbryntefjell - which takes a whole lot more explaining :)

*I had imagined a Quasimodo sort of figure :roll:
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Liljanbryntefjell - sounds like there’s a bit of Bryn Terfel in there too! Somebody get us back on topic quickly :rofl2:
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:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

(I have a Bryn Terfel CD here - My Granddad and mother were Welsh :)

Never been to Wales though.
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