Bosch Injection pump rebuild info request

[747spokes]

Dear Citro Jim,
Your website has directed me to the French Car Forum as I would like to ask for some advice. I could not find any link to contact you other than via one of your posts! Anyway, I am going to follow your excellent description on rebuilding a Bosch injector pump to change all the seals. However I want to find an identical pump to overhaul so that I can then just swap over the pumps on my 405 to replace the existing pump, that is leaking, with the overhauled one. I can't take the car off the road whilst overhauling its pump. My question is which of the Bosch injector pumps are suitable to install replacing the leaky one. The part numbers seem to vary a lot and so I am not sure which one to buy - typically on ebay. The currently installed pump is of the following specs: Bosch Nr 04604 85054; VE R 425-1; XUD 201. and on the RH corner of the ident plate are the figures 24288.
The car ident is: 405 1.9 GLD (Reg K915XCP) Estate.
There are several pumps on ebay described as for the 405 for example............
CITROEN OR PEUGEOT 1.9 DIESEL FUEL INJECTION PUMP 04604 84064 XUD 201 eBay item number:173157575865
CITROEN OR PEUGEOT 1.9 DIESEL FUEL INJECTION PUMP 04604 94388 XUD 213 eBay item number:232664362361
PEUGEOT 306 405 CITROEN XANTIA 1.9D ENGINE DIESEL FUEL INJECTION PUMP 04604 84093 eBay item number:272562990524
These pumps all have the 04604 initial part of the part numbers but not the same remaining numbers.
I wonder if you could be good enough to advise me if these pumps, and any others, that would all be suitable to replace the original one of the Bosch part number Nr 04604 85054?
We have workshop very clean facilities and are confident that we can strip and rebuild the pump following your guidance.
Sorry to bother you with this but we would be very grateful for advice about what pumps will be suitable. It's a normally aspirated engine - no turbo charger.
The Peugeots are excellent cars. We also have 406 estate and a 307 hatchback.
Thankyou,
Simon (747spokes)

[ekjdm14]

Hi Simon, I believe that once you get below the armour/stop solenoid etc the N/A diesel pumps are pretty well interchangeable just as long as you have a feed to the stop solenoid. Insomuch as the car will run and drive just fine on it anyway, so you could potentially use a similar replacement while you rebuild the original.

Some have an electrical cold-advance solenoid on the front (very obvious, looks like a second stop solenoid halfway along the front of the body) but from experience you can run with or without this anyway. Only other "gotcha" I can think of is the later type that used an ECU and needle lift sensor for the timing, (I'm sure even these type pump would run an earlier engine too but wouldn't want to suggest you try it!) they're identifiable by a TPS switch & wiring on top of the throttle lever.
Basically I'm suggesting just about any non-turbo XUD9 pump will do, but the less superfluous electrical gubbins/closer to identical looking to the original the better.

Jim's usually about early morning/daytime rather than evenings but I'm sure he'll have some additions/corrections to the above when he is online again. Be interesting to see what I've missed actually, I think that pretty much covers it but Jim knows a heck of a lot more than I do about them.

[Pug_XUD_KeenAmateur]

cor aren't they all expensive! I know a Bosch pump is dearer than a Rotodiesel, but £95 to £130.... Rubbish photos too! Also a 405 owner, but mine's on a Rotodiesel and can't say I know much 'bout pumps.

K plater, would that be the S1 style seats, with the S2 style Dashboard? I took a look at the MOT History, looks like its sound, good luck for a new ticket. Did you get the NS Steering Rack Gaiter sorted?

[ekjdm14]

Yes they are a bit on the steep side pricewise, I think I got lucky in that Black's replacement engine came with a pump so I have a spare for that & the spare for White (TD) came from a local scrappy for £15 or so with a bunch of other bits. I hadn't realised the ebay listings were that expensive, I'd perhaps either hold out for a cheaper one or consider doing the rebuild over a weekend with the car off the road. (don't forget the cambelt need not be disturbed if one uses the 2 timing pin holes to hold the pulley in place, and drive the pump off the sprocket when it's all loosened on that side)

[ekjdm14]

....Did you get the NS Steering Rack Gaiter sorted?

me or 747? lol if you mean me, no it split as soon as I looked at it the morning after so sacked it off as a bad job for now and hoping to get it booked in for MoT and replacement gaiter soon, let the garage struggle with the b'stool!

[ekjdm14]

...I can't take the car off the road whilst overhauling its pump.

I hate to burst your bubble or suggest any wrongdoing, but technically the car is off the road since last September going by the history (I just checked myself as I was unsure if it was me or you being asked about the rack gaiter)... You do know the MoT is expired right? Would hate for you to lose the car for an oversight!

[van ordinaire]

In the lexicon of offences, no MoT is not terribly serious - not even endorsable - & 9 times out of 10 plod'd give you a couple of weeks to produce (what used too be) a cetificate at a nick near you. Might be unwise, probably irresponsible - but hardly criminal.

[daviemck2006]

And the price of pumps on eBay is why I am further investigating my fuel leak as Im not convinced that it is my pump that is leaking.

[CitroJim]

Dear Citro Jim,
Your website has directed me to the French Car Forum as I would like to ask for some advice. I could not find any link to contact you other than via one of your posts!

Purposely. Sorry but I am in no position presently to offer any personal advice. I trust you will find all you need in this forum.

And admins, will you please spilt this and subsequent posts concerning this subject away from my blog and into the appropriate place.

Thanks...

[RichardW]

Topic split and moved to Citroen, as per Jim's request.

[Pug_XUD_KeenAmateur]

And the price of pumps on eBay is why I am further investigating my fuel leak as Im not convinced that it is my pump that is leaking.

Try doing this, I had a nightmare with a fuel leak... [and I mean, nightmare!]. My 'turning point' was realising it'd run from a can just fine.

I put it on the roof first, for gravity feed
then I put it on the floor
then I found a chaffed fuel pipe, close to where it goes from the tank to the pipework inside the cill

Cost me £400 for a garage not to fix that, + £12 for the pipe. The whole sorry saga is documented here on FCF, October 2016.

[sparksie]

Now, there's an intelligent suggestion.
A couple of banjos, some pipe and a can of clean diesel, sat on the roof.
Eliminate all the car's own plumbing and lightly pressurise the feed and return, thanks to gravity, so any leaks will be fuel rather than air.
Might just solve my problem, reported in my thread!

[747spokes]

Hi everybody for your helpful advice. As a matter fact the car, which belongs to another family member is not on the road and has not been for some months - I was not aware of that - because of the fuel leak. However we do want to obtain a spare pump which we will overhaul but want to be sure to get the correct model. Thankyou ekjdm14 for your response. Regards, Simon.
Any more advice regarding the suitability of the various pumps with slightly differing part numbers would be most gratefully accepted.

[picassodad]

Dont bother asking bosch uk, its easier to get blood from a stone than get any info from them !