Oil change pump

[boristhespie]

Hi

Has anyone used one of those oil change pumps which suck the oil oit of the engine through the dipstick and don't need to take oil out of the sump plug. Saw one for sale. Looked into it and read that a lot of garages change oil this way. Was wondering if it would be effective or if it would leave oil in and if you replace the oil taken out with the same amount of oil put in?

Would be a boon if I could do my own oil changes which I have avoided as I have no where to raise the car.

[Michel]

I have one. It works fine. Had it for years now.

[Gibbo2286]

Lidl have one on offer from Sunday 11th.

[doctle]

That Lidl one is quite slow 200 mil a minute. The suction ones are about €60.00 here but a good thing to have.

[Paul-R]

I have something in the back of my mind that Citroen specifically advise NOT to use a suction device for oil changes on some models. It may be for the 16v 1.6HDi though. Anyone know better?

[Gibbo2286]

That Lidl one is quite slow 200 mil a minute. The suction ones are about €60.00 here but a good thing to have.

So about 25 minutes to drain a C5 HDI, probably still quicker than getting the jack out.

[411514]

I have something in the back of my mind that Citroen specifically advise NOT to use a suction device for oil changes on some models. It may be for the 16v 1.6HDi though. Anyone know better?

I seem to recall also that Citroen issued a service bulletin advising against suction drain on the 1.6 HDi. However, I would bet that 99% of garages would still use suction drain on that engine despite the bulletin.

I personally prefer to drain via the sump plug rather than suction, and always do so for my cars. However, given that the OP says a sump plug drain is out of the question, I reckon it is preferable that the OP suction drains himself with frequent oil changes, rather than paying a garage to sump plug drain infrequently.

[Hell Razor5543]

One of the problems with some of those 1.6 HDi engines is that the sump plug was recessed. This meant that anything up to 1/2litre of oil would remain in the lower region of the sump, where all of the crud would accumulate. When my company van (a Peugeot Partner) was serviced they would jack up one side a long way, to get more oil out. I would imagine an oil sucker, properly used, would also get more oil out than drining the sump with the engine on the level.

[doctle]

There's not much info on the Lidl leaflet about the pump like how long it can run continuously.

[demag]

I have a hand operated one. It has a simple pump action like one of those garden sprayers but obviously works in reverse creating a vacuum. An interesting feature of this pump is if the one way valve gets wet it can purge itself to clear any moisture away from the valve. It did this recently as a violently escaping stream of oily muck coated the front of my fleece. Yuk.

[Michel]

Yes mine is a big Sealey vacuum pump type one. It works well. I've taken the sump plug off the Berlingo a couple of times when I'd used it to check that it had indeed got all the oil out, and Yes, it had.

[boristhespie]

Thanks for this. Kept checking back and never saw replies. Did a search voila, replies. Yeah saw the lidl offer this Sunday, that is what got me interested. Always wanted to change my own oil on the 2.0 HDI and 136bhp C5s and wife's 1.6 Hdi C4. Save some moolah and would allow me to change more often. I bought ramps for the car but these are...er....pish. so not able to get underneath. This seems kushdie to me. Thanks for the feedback. Gonna get the Lidl jobbo if I can and will let you know how it pans out. Thanks.

[JohnD]

I have something in the back of my mind that Citroen specifically advise NOT to use a suction device for oil changes on some models. It may be for the 16v 1.6HDi though. Anyone know better?

You're right Paul. Citroen did publish a warning notice. Here it is:


It is necessary to follow a specific oil change procedure on all DV6 and DV6U engines so as to ensure that no used oil remains to mix with the new oil.

The following method must be used:

• The engine oil temperature must be at least 50°C :
- the engine oil temperature is considered to be at 50°C when the water temperature indicator is between 80°C and 90°C or the cooling fan has cut in
• ensure that the vehicle is level (side to side and fore and aft)
• remove the oil filter to allow the circuit to drain completely
• remove the oil filler cap and the dipstick
• remove the drain plug
• allow the oil to drain by gravity for at least 10 minutes (DO NOT USE SUCTION METHODS)
• fit a new oil filter
• refit the drain plug with a new sealing washer
• fill the engine with quantity of oil recommended for the engine
• refit the oil filler cap and the dipstick
• run the engine at idle until the oil pressure warning lamp goes out (about 1 minute)
• wait 5 minutes
• check the oil level using the dipstick: the level should be as close as possible to, but not exceeding the maximum mark (1) so as to be between (1) and (3)

For information, the lower mark (2) = Min (0%) the upper mark (1) = Max (100%) the intermediate mark (3) = ¾ litre.


CONSEQUENCES OF NOT KEEPING TO THE OIL CHANGE INTERVALS

If the customer does not have the oil changed at the recommended intervals, the oil will become excessively polluted and will no longer ensure the correct lubrication of the engine. One of the first consequences is inadequate lubrication of the turbocharger bearings causing a failure which is repeated after the turbocharger is replaced. Subsequent symptoms resulting from the reduced level of lubrication will be a noisy engine and then destruction of the engine.

We remind you that if the customer does not keep to the servicing intervals recommended in the Maintenance and Guarantee Guide, the customer will be responsible for the durability of the mechanical parts of the engine.
In this case, the any related repairs needed are not covered by the new vehicle warranty.

CONSEQUENCES OF NOT FOLLOWING THE OIL CHANGE PROCEDURE

If the oil changes are not done as described above, all deposits of old oil will not be removed and will very quickly pollute the new oil, accelerating the ageing of the oil in the engine lubrication circuit (even causing the oil to congeal).

The consequences for the engine are the same as if the oil change intervals are not observed. As a result, any related repairs needed are not covered under the new vehicle warranty.

[Bick]

I do not believe it was citroen who published that but a turbo remanufactured company?

[JohnD]

I do not believe it was citroen who published that but a turbo remanufactured company?

You believe what you like but you'll find the same advice http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/to ... rotection/