Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by CitroJim » 27 Dec 2017, 06:43

No pictures seen here either :(

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by dave_xsara » 27 Dec 2017, 15:46

Photos fixed now.

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by miked » 28 Dec 2017, 17:14

Just to show new vs old when the axle is off the car, this is the new axle (from IMAxle). Any scratches were probably us turning it over on the floor.
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And the old one as removed (upside down compared to above). tomorrows job is to get the lumps of metal the shock absorber and the rubber mounts attach to, before cleaning them up and giving them a coat of hammerite as they will be re-used (Lumps of metal I mean, we have new shocks and mounts).
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And (just for good measure), here is the hole it left. A bit more rust than I'd like to see but the mechanic, who's also an MOT tester (for the last 30+ years) isn't concerned. Still, I might ask him if I should clean it up and give it a lick of paint and/or underseal though.
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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by dave_xsara » 28 Dec 2017, 18:19

Didn't look too bad underneath, but now you have access to it, I'd definitely out some underseal on it.

Is that a rebuilt or a refurbished axle you got from them? Reason I ask is that the refurbished item states it is repainted to factory colour which I believe is yellow as per their photos.
Edit: from their website it looks like they sell refurbished in both black and yellow with 2 year warranty.
Rebuilt are 150 and refurbished are 185 with 1yr or 2yr warranty respectively.

It does look very good though. Keep me posted.
Did it have a new centre tube? The more I look at yours the more I think I'll update mine. What state were your bearings in on the old axle?

What all are you intending to reuse or replace i.e. handbrake cables, abs sensors, etc.

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by miked » 28 Dec 2017, 22:06

Not sure dave, It's an as new, rebuilt and refurbished axle. I didn't see any colour choices.

For my car, disk brakes, ABS etc. it was the same price as any other option. It was over £150 plus VAT, plus Delivery, which was just over £200. Alternative 2nd hand axle was over £100

My wheels were learning in at the top big time. More on the N/S on mine. I looked at your pictures and you had it worse on the other side.

I think you are looking into this too much. PM and I'll send links to any close up's you need of the old and new.

ABS sensors; I'm hopeful I can get them out. Handbrake cables currently have the callipers still attached and are dangling under the middle of the car. A bit of plumbing (copper pipework) is needed and I think, on my car pipes will need to be replaced back as far as somewhere under the middle of the car. I presume it's heat-soak or something that means the brake pipes are ok in the front half of the car.

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by miked » 29 Dec 2017, 19:21

Quick update, only managed a few hours today so the axle isn't ready to go back in just yet. Main problem was that neither wheel bearing wanted to come off. They did in the end but in many pieces. New ones come as a complete unit with what I'd call the 'carrier' and ABS wheel. So a bit more expense but new ones will be shinier and the originals were old.
Good news is we didn't have to get the ABS sensors out. The bit of metal they are attached to needs swapped from old to new axle anyway. That may only be relevant to my car, Mk 2 Xsara with disks as I'm sure I read above they need to be removed.
Current progress is one side built up, ready for new hubs, The other side is ready for a bit of paint on the old parts then build it up.
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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by dave_xsara » 29 Dec 2017, 19:53

I had read too that the abs sensors needed swapped out. Good to know that they do not need this.

Tidy job, coming along well. What type of paint are you using?

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by miked » 29 Dec 2017, 20:25

Black Hammerite, from an old tin. I slopped it on fairly thick. After going over the old part with a pin hammer and a wire brush.

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by CitroJim » 30 Dec 2017, 06:51

Excellent work Mike and great news on the ABS sensors :)

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by dave_xsara » 01 Jan 2018, 13:18

https://www.pellonautocentre.com/citroe ... ng-noises/

I thought the rear knocking noise was the mounts? Little odds now as I'm replacing the axle. However we thought it was failed mounts that would cause the knocking noise.

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by miked » 01 Jan 2018, 21:22



Seriously? I'm no expert but do not go anyway near them, even if you have a barge-pole in hand.

My car is good to go, after alignment tomorrow. This thread is only about back axles, so this is mine back in.
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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by dave_xsara » 02 Jan 2018, 15:29

miked wrote:
01 Jan 2018, 21:22
My car is good to go, after alignment tomorrow. This thread is only about back axles, so this is mine back in.


What is the list of new parts you used: back plates, F&R mounts, shocks. Anything else - brake cables?? Did you clean the hubs or are they new too?

Just so I know when I get around to doing it, you disconnected the ABS up at the fuel tank and kept it on at the axle side? Any useful info/tips for me prior to starting this?

By the sounds of it you should have a pretty well sorted car when this is completed.

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by miked » 13 Jan 2018, 19:05

Sorry for the late reply. I was struck down with a blood clot (DVT) at New Year. Getting over it now though.

List of parts: Axle, Mounts, Shocks, Back plates and hubs. The hubs/wheel bearings are a complete unit including the abs toothed wheel and hub. Nothing looked wrong with the old ones, but destruction was the only way to remove them.
ABS cables were indeed unplugged up next to the fuel tank tank. Handbrake cables were no issue for me as they were quite new and we actually left the calipers hanging from them.
All the old hydraulic brake pipes though, looked rotten so we plumbed in new lines over the fuel tank and all the way to the front left wheel arch, where the original pipes have a connector.

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by CitroJim » 13 Jan 2018, 19:09

miked wrote:
13 Jan 2018, 19:05
Sorry for the late reply. I was struck down with a blood clot (DVT) at New Year. Getting over it now though.


Oh gosh :( Poor you. Hope all is soon very fully resolved... Any ideas on how or why it happened?