Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

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Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by dave_xsara » 11 Dec 2017, 16:57

Okay,

Now that I've got the MIL warning resolved, I want to get the rear suspension finished.

There is loud banging, creaking and squeaking from the rear axle. If I stand on the tow bar and bounce the rear end, the noise is very audible.

The rear shocks have been recently replaced and that fixed some of the banging noise (bush on the eye of the shock had perished and hence the shock was not braced to the axle.

I've got a set of mounts and intend to replace them. However, I'm not sure that they are the full cause of the squeaking/creaking noise.

I've read that there can be issues with the axle bearings collapsing. However, I've checked the camber of the rear axle and it appears fine visually.

Is there a measurement of what the rear camber should be?

If the bearings have not collapsed and there is just a squeaking/creaking noise, what would be the solution to the problem and also to preserve the lifespan of the axle and bearings?

It seems to be a very common problem with this type of axle. However, solutions vary from replacing the rear axle, drilling grease nipples and packing with grease, drilling holes to release water, replacing trailing arm, replacing trailing arm bushes, etc.

At this stage now, there must be a solution that most have narrowed in on. What should I be doing here?


Thanks.

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by dave_xsara » 11 Dec 2017, 18:06

I've read through the following:
http://www.optimal-germany.com/en/busin ... t-possible

viewtopic.php?t=27939

Would the axle be salvageable at this stage with a new bearing kit? Does a water relief point need to be bored into the axle, if so where do these go?

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by Paul-R » 11 Dec 2017, 18:56

The axle bearings (not the wheel bearings) went our old Xsara a few years ago. It was especially noticeable when the car was loaded up at the rear (it was an Estate version) when the inside edge of the tyres at the top would touch the wheel arch. Have look to see if this has happened or, if it's only on its way out, that the mud build-up has been cleaned away.

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by dave_xsara » 11 Dec 2017, 22:40

Is it true that the bearing is a serviceable item after 10 years?
I've been told that the simplest solution is to replace the axle. Is there any stop gap solutions I can do in order to stop the squeaking?

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by Paul-R » 11 Dec 2017, 23:29

Changing the axle isn't a very difficult job - that's what I ended up doing as I found a decent S/H one at the scrappie's.

The bearings can certainly be changed. I believe that forumite xsaras4ever has done thhe job.

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by dave_xsara » 12 Dec 2017, 00:04

Yes, looks like getting a replacement axle is an easier job than replacing the bearings myself.
What cost would a refurbished axle be?

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by CitroJim » 12 Dec 2017, 07:04

dave_xsara wrote:
11 Dec 2017, 22:40
Is it true that the bearing is a serviceable item after 10 years?
I've been told that the simplest solution is to replace the axle. Is there any stop gap solutions I can do in order to stop the squeaking?


Not really as the bearings often collapse/break up and ovalise the bearing housings in the axle tube, effectively writing it off...

Often the stub axles are badly pitted too..

Even if not, getting the axle apart after ten years of rusting is a heck of a task and often involves very large (sledge) hammers!!!

I've been there with Pug 205s which use a very similar axle...

Best to get and fit a refurb'd axle ;)

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by dave_xsara » 12 Dec 2017, 09:13

Are there any issues with getting the ABS sensors etc refitted on a refurbed axle? I was speaking with the person who would be helping me to swap it out and they were concerned about getting the ABS etc working again on a new axle.

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by dave_xsara » 12 Dec 2017, 11:10

Is there a measurement from top of tyre to wheel arch that can be used to gauge wear? Or camber measurement?

Or is it as simple as if there is a squeak, then it is goosed?

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by CitroJim » 12 Dec 2017, 12:49

If it squeaks and creaks Dave, that's good enough to condemn it... Also, a lot of observed negative camber (/-\) is a good tell-tale too...

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by dave_xsara » 12 Dec 2017, 14:04

It squeaks and creaks, but I can't see any noticeable negative camber.
Can this result in a collapsed axle?

Also, back to my previous question - are there any issues with the ABS sensors on the refurbished axles that could cause problems?

I seen there is a refurbing guy who puts a semi solid lubricant into the trailing arm. Is this a common part of the refurb process now?

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by CitroJim » 12 Dec 2017, 14:51

dave_xsara wrote:
12 Dec 2017, 14:04
Can this result in a collapsed axle?
What do you mean exactly?
dave_xsara wrote:
12 Dec 2017, 14:04
Also, back to my previous question - are there any issues with the ABS sensors on the refurbished axles that could cause problems?
I'd not bank on being able to recover your existing ones from the old axle. Budget for replacements.
dave_xsara wrote:
12 Dec 2017, 14:04
I seen there is a refurbing guy who puts a semi solid lubricant into the trailing arm. Is this a common part of the refurb process now?


Lubrication is vital... Some refurbished axles have grease nipples fitted. One has to trust the refurbisher that he has chosen a suitable grease...

Grease I'd define as semi-solid ;)

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by RichardW » 12 Dec 2017, 15:57

I priced this up for my Sister earlier in the year, as hers needing doing - got scrapped in the end as another car became available from my Parents! Here's my thoughts:

http://www.imaxle.co.uk/xsara-hatch-disc-with-abs £175 + £20 delivery (exchange, but that seems to include the pick up). Some other bits are likely required: ABS sensors (they’re well known for being difficult to remove; getting them out intact for re-use is probably not worth the hassle since you can get a new pair for £25); axle mounts – although you don’t actually need to disturb these, it’s likely they’re well past their best and contributing a significant amount of noise, new set around £50 (I put new ones in our ZX, and it shut the back end up and transformed the handling); you have to remove the hubs from the old arm, this can pull the bearing apart, although most seem to be able to get them off (these are £50 each); might be worth sticking new brake flexis on as well as they have to be disconnected, and may well be cracking by now – they’re only £10 each though.

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by daviemck2006 » 12 Dec 2017, 15:58

I replaced a complete axle on a berlingo, which is presumably a similar set up.try IMaxles for a refurbished axle, I was £300 for one delivered to me, its not that bad a job if you dont mind lying under the car getting face fulls of crap while getting the old one off! I got away with re using the wheelbearings and did not have abs to contend with.

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Re: Xsara Squeaking/Creaking Rear suspension

Post by dave_xsara » 12 Dec 2017, 16:18

Grease I'd define as semi-solid
Their terminology - not mine!
Is it standard practice to add a grease nipple or does it matter?
...axle mounts...
From their website home page (http://www.imaxle.co.uk/):
Refurbished axles from £185 inc VAT
Axle completely stripped
Sandblasted to remove all rust
New hardened axle shafts fitted
Inside of trailing arm resleeved
Trailing arm bearings replaced
Rubber mounting bushes replaced
Repainted to factory standard colours
Assembled to factory standard
2 Years Unlimited Warranty