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C5 X7 Hydraulics

Post by gambler072 » 09 Dec 2017, 19:44

Hello folks, I have one question concerning a front suspension on my car. The hydroactive suspension is working almost perfectly, raises or lowers cars without any problems, corrects the height when necessary, but sometimes I hear a banging noise from the front suspension. I have noticed that only when I'm going over a speed-bump, but not always, It occurs only sometimes, and it does not matter how fast or slow I go over a speed-bump. Sometimes It feels like that is not making that banging sound when I'm climbing on the speed-bump, but when I'm leaving it, like the cylinders have more pressure that it should be. Does anybody knows anything about it? The car's height is normal. I'm still learning about this suspension, it's my 1st hydro equipped car. The second question is that the hydraulic pump changes the sound when I'm putting the car in the service height (the highest position), it becomes more loud and the noise it produces winding noise. When i lower the car, or put it it normal mode, there are no such sounds, and it has the correct level of LDS.

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Re: C5 X7 Hydraulics

Post by MikeT » 09 Dec 2017, 19:56

Re that knock going over bumps, always been a failed drop link for me, cheap fix but do get a quality replacement, cheapo's tend to go bad in no time.

Can't help with the noisy pump.
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Post by gambler072 » 09 Dec 2017, 20:01

Do you have maybe a catalogue number for the drop link, just to check how it looks and to see can I check it without going to the mechanics. I really hope that's the issue :) As I said, it doesn't happen every time, and I think that it occurs when I'm leaving the bumps.
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Post by bobins » 09 Dec 2017, 20:04

Probably p/n 5087 52 for the left one and 5087 53 for the right one - though a VIN would be useful for proper confirmation :)
There's no obvious signs that one is worn - they may clonk a bit going over bumps, but you can rarely - if ever - detect any play in them when you wobble them.

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Post by xantia_v6 » 09 Dec 2017, 20:07

see also the diagrams and instructions at: viewtopic.php?t=57093
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Post by bobins » 09 Dec 2017, 20:12

If it is the drop link and you're doing the job yourself, knock the long threaded section out of the suspension unit with a long 1/2" socket extension bar. They're usually the right diameter and you can knock the link all the way out and leave the extension bar in place to keep everything lined-up - it makes it easier when you come to put the new drop link back in. :-D
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Post by gambler072 » 09 Dec 2017, 20:22

Thanks guys for the quick help. I won't do it myself, although i believe it's not that difficult, but it is better to leave it to the pro. If anybody has any other ideas what could be causing banging noise, or anything about the pump noise, please help :) I'll ask my mechanic to go with me for a ride, to hear it, and then to check what could it be. is it any chance that there is too much pressure in the suspension sometimes, or that something's wrong with the cylinder (5271K5) or with the sphere?
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Post by EDC5 » 09 Dec 2017, 21:14

I've had this banging noise for as long as I've had my car. Not always but usually just after cresting a speedbump there is sometimes a bang (!) I used to be concerned but reading around it seems very common.

I think I'll have a go at changing the drop links over christmas to see if that helps at all.
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Post by bobins » 09 Dec 2017, 21:29

A word of caution - it might not be the drop links ! They're a very common failure, 50k lifetime +/- 20k (??), but there's a few other things that can go clonk in the suspension as well !! :)
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Post by milleplod » 09 Dec 2017, 21:41

Mine makes exactly the same noise, in the same circumstances - it seems to be when the front wheels 'drop'. Like you say, it happens on the 'downhill' side of the more vicious speed bumps, and also if the front wheels drop into a pothole, its a definite, quite hard bang! :shock: I was very concerned about mine, so much so that I got in touch with the previous owner, who'd had it from new. He told me that it had always done that, and that he'd had it back to the supplying dealer who in turn got in touch with Citroen as they couldn't find a problem! Allegedly, Citroen told the dealer it was a characteristic of the suspension system. Having said that, I did lots of Googling about the issue, and I'm sure I found someone who'd managed to identify the problem, but the fix was so involved I now just go more slowly over speed bumps, and I don't lose any sleep over it! :)

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Re: C5 X7 Hydraulics

Post by gambler072 » 09 Dec 2017, 22:45

Is it really that difficult to fix it? It is a great relief that it's not something major, but on the other side I really find Citroen's explanation at least funny that it's the characteristic of a hydro suspension. I doubt that any car company would accept their car to leave factory with such sound. I mean it's not Dacia, that was a 25-30t € car when brand new. I'll definitely check mine and give a feedback.
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Post by Stickyfinger » 09 Dec 2017, 23:33

Clunk front 90% chance it is the drop links on all cars
Clunk rear, 90% chance it is the Radius Arm Bearings on Mk1/2 and roll bar bush on the X7

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Post by bobins » 09 Dec 2017, 23:41

^^^^^^^^ What Alasdair said ! They sound good odds to me :-D

Replacing drop links isn't particluarly challenging - with a bit of practice you should be able to do both sides within an hour including two cups of tea and cleaning up - going from wheels on the ground, do the job, to wheels back on the ground. :)
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Post by EDC5 » 10 Dec 2017, 00:52

gambler072 wrote:
09 Dec 2017, 22:45
Is it really that difficult to fix it? It is a great relief that it's not something major, but on the other side I really find Citroen's explanation at least funny that it's the characteristic of a hydro suspension. I doubt that any car company would accept their car to leave factory with such sound. I mean it's not Dacia, that was a 25-30t € car when brand new. I'll definitely check mine and give a feedback.


Yes it is a bit concerning, mine also creaks a lot but the performance of the suspension is really good so I cannot find a fault with it.
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Post by Stickyfinger » 10 Dec 2017, 01:34

Mine NEVER clunks, creaks or thumps even when I have managed to "jump it" (ok I was being enthusiastic that day), the only noises I have had were caused by a failed drop link and a FRIP joint.

Any noise and there is a fault/worn part.
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