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I prefer diesels because you can use a lot the power between 2k and 4k rpm. For example my petrol focus was supposedly 100hp, but driving normally, not exceeding 3500rpm I doubt if I ever got more than 60hp from it, only when ragging it would you be able to access the headline power figure. Whereas with the diesel, I bet 100hp would be available from even quite low revs due to the VNT turbo.
In a heavy car like the C5 needs a lot of power low down in my view.
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Ireland has a very high level of diesel car ownership this is mostly because a few years ago the "green" party was part of a coalition government. They ranted and raved about the evils of petrol cars and their killer emissions. Diesel was green, new cars had a lower rate of tax etc. Now the petrol engine has been rehabilitated without changing a bit, diesel is evil diesel should be a tenner a litre diesel owners should be killed and used as organ donors etc
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white exec wrote: 18 Nov 2017, 12:53 Our 2.5TD XM was originally 129bhp, now probably 160-170 at a guess.
Routinely returns 42-44 on motorway work, cruising at legal limits of 75mph in Spain and 80 in France.
At 70mph, it would be heading towards 50mpg.
Don't have 290bhp, but do have buckets of torque.


Focus is 291bhp and 331lb/ft. It returns 42mpg at the legal limit on the motorway here. It's got VVT and VNT and drives happily and responsively around town in 3rd/4th/5th gear.
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doctle wrote: 18 Nov 2017, 23:18 Ireland has a very high level of diesel car ownership this is mostly because a few years ago the "green" party was part of a coalition government. They ranted and raved about the evils of petrol cars and their killer emissions. Diesel was green, new cars had a lower rate of tax etc. Now the petrol engine has been rehabilitated without changing a bit, diesel is evil diesel should be a tenner a litre diesel owners should be killed and used as organ donors etc


Yip, remember the same here. Herding the sheep really. In Scotland we have a Climate Change and Rural affairs Dept. Isn't that very caring of our Govt to set up such movement? Well it is needed or else the grants from EU are not triggered for spending and employing people. Simple claims benefit..........what a smokescreen.
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Almost 70% of road cars in Ireland are diesel so they have come up with some brilliant ideas to get rid of them, double the duty is one very high road tax is another. These are threats at the minute although a pre 2008 1.9 diesel already costs almost €750.00 a year in tax. Sales of new diesels are dropping so there'a a fair bit of self praise from these idiots, they don't seem to notice the idiots in the UK making the same noises and used UK diesels are being sold for silly money are very cheap to import, so diesel ownership is the same or maybe slightly higher.
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A good few years back, a mate and I were over in Old Ireland for the Mayfly. I had a Patrol 4.2d and he took his Landcruiser 4.2 td.
The locals were amazed that we ran these things. No wonder............when they told me how much to tax one over there was!
My Donk C5 is only £150 a year to tax here Doctile. They'll bump it up now mind.
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lexi wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 08:07 A good few years back, a mate and I were over in Old Ireland for the Mayfly. I had a Patrol 4.2d and he took his Landcruiser 4.2 td.
The locals were amazed that we ran these things. No wonder............when they told me how much to tax one over there was!
My Donk C5 is only £150 a year to tax here Doctile. They'll bump it up now mind.

4.2 is a reasonable €1809.00 annually or €511.00 a quarter
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doctle wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 08:26
4.2 is a reasonable €1809.00 annually or €511.00 a quarter


This is far from my definition of "reasonable"..
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I don't agree that petrols are nicer to drive unless you have a 3 litre, many modern small petrol engines have so little torque that you spend a lot of time in first and second gear whereas the diesels have loads of low down torque and very little gear changing is needed at all - unless you drive like a teenager, much more relaxing to drive in my opinion. My 2.0 Hdi 406's do 50-60 mpg, I haven't yet met a petrol equivalent that will do that and they are by no means noisey inside.

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Michel wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 08:35
doctle wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 08:26

4.2 is a reasonable €1809.00 annually or €511.00 a quarter


This is far from my definition of "reasonable"..

Sorry that was supposed to be sarcasm!
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Peter.N. wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 08:37 I don't agree that petrols are nicer to drive unless you have a 3 litre, many modern small petrol engines have so little torque that you spend a lot of time in first and second gear whereas the diesels have loads of low down torque and very little gear changing is needed at all - unless you drive like a teenager, much more relaxing to drive in my opinion. My 2.0 Hdi 406's do 50-60 mpg, I haven't yet met a petrol equivalent that will do that and they are by no means noisey inside.

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doctle wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 08:39
Michel wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 08:35
doctle wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 08:26

4.2 is a reasonable €1809.00 annually or €511.00 a quarter


This is far from my definition of "reasonable"..

Sorry that was supposed to be sarcasm!


I thought it might be!
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Peter.N. wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 08:37 I don't agree that petrols are nicer to drive unless you have a 3 litre, many modern small petrol engines have so little torque that you spend a lot of time in first and second gear whereas the diesels have loads of low down torque and very little gear changing is needed at all - unless you drive like a teenager, much more relaxing to drive in my opinion. My 2.0 Hdi 406's do 50-60 mpg, I haven't yet met a petrol equivalent that will do that and they are by no means noisey inside.

Peter


I have to disagree, especially in town. The 2.0 HDi in C5, Berlingo and Xantias I've owned required *more* gear changing in town as the lack of anything below 1400rpm, and the narrow power band made them all quite annoying to drive in town. The clutches are heavier too. Even the short-geared 2.016v in my C4 VTS would do 45mpg with cruise control on at 70mph, and you simply can't hear the engine. The Grand Picasso is even quieter. If you run your HDi (and I know you don't) at "european motorway speeds", the fuel consumption will be not much, if any, better than the petrol version, and it'll certainly be noisier. My C5 110 HDI (ex Chris Citroenmad) recorded a miserable 37.3mpg going to Brussels and back from Reading at continental cruising speeds, and I didn't break the limits much at all.
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doctle wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 08:42
Peter.N. wrote: 20 Nov 2017, 08:37 I don't agree that petrols are nicer to drive unless you have a 3 litre, many modern small petrol engines have so little torque that you spend a lot of time in first and second gear whereas the diesels have loads of low down torque and very little gear changing is needed at all - unless you drive like a teenager, much more relaxing to drive in my opinion. My 2.0 Hdi 406's do 50-60 mpg, I haven't yet met a petrol equivalent that will do that and they are by no means noisey inside.

Peter

My 1.4 HDi does over 65 mpg pulls like a little train


My 1.3i 2001 Ka pulls well. It does have an antiquated engine with 8 valves and pushrods though. It's better than, if somewhat coarser, than the 3-pot in the 107 Courtesy car that's on my drive - I prefer the Ka over that!
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Bick wrote: 17 Nov 2017, 18:25 It would all depend on how many miles you are doing per year anything above 10k a year is a difficult one, the newer diesels are much cleaner according to manufacturer's findings. But i do think a petrol may be a better idea due to the evil diesel brigade gathering momentum.

Trying to decide between a Diesel and a Petrol in the near future is a bit like trying to decide which end of the Titanic to run to, bow or stern, as it goes under! :rofl2: At the moment the petrol end of the titanic is highest in the air as the Diesel end has taken on some water, but either way you're still on the Titanic... :lol:
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