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Grum wrote: 20 Jun 2017, 10:21 Good moaning and thank you again Jim.

I had a little brows of the diagrams last night and I should be able to trace the fault from them. One thing I would like to know at the moment, is which pins are what on the actual motor, as they are not marked on the actual motor and there are 8 pins on it but only 5 used! ... But I should be able to work it out with the help of the diagram, a circuit tester and tracing the wires back to the switch etc, then operate the window directly at the motor for now, to get it up.
The plug and socket should be numbered, but the numbers can be v small!
Grum wrote: 20 Jun 2017, 10:21 Another thing I cannot work out for the moment, which maybe you know!... is what the markings beside connectors etc are. They look like voltage marks, although I assume they are not and that it is all 12Volts... for example: on the wires leaving the fuses on the fuse-box, they are marked 2V MR, 2V NR, 1V NR 13V OR etc!
It's probably obvious and I am not seeing the woods for the trees!

Anyway, going to go up and take a butchers in a bit hopefully... Watch this space! 8-[
Those numbers refer to the plug size (no of pins - presume V is French for pins!) and the colour - Haynes gives the colours, they're French of course... MR = Maron = brown, NR = Noir = Black, OR = Orange = Orange (probably!).

On the motors pin 1 is ground, Pin 5 is switched live from F10, Pin 7 is link between the 2 doors. 3 and 8 are the signals for up and down - no idea which is which! Possibly 8 is up as this is the one cross connected in the switch.
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RichardW wrote: 20 Jun 2017, 12:24 Those numbers refer to the plug size (no of pins - presume V is French for pins!) and the colour - Haynes gives the colours, they're French of course... MR = Maron = brown, NR = Noir = Black, OR = Orange = Orange (probably!).

V is Vert (= Green), so 2V is a 2 pin plug with a green body.
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Agree that V is vert, but I'm pretty sure that I'm right that the other 2 letters give the colour, otherwise all the connectors on that diagram are green!
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Iirc - If I Remember Correctly
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Sorry, I should have looked at the diagram before posting...

V= voie (which more or less translates to track)
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Ooooops sorry Grum, I've misread the heading another senior moment.

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Thank you Richard, Xantia V6, Timmo & KennyW ... Hope I haven't missed anyone ;-)

Sorry for the delay in replying... I am desperately trying to get the old Xantia on the road, as I need a car for work, so as well as trying to get that sorted I am trying to get work/unemployment stuff sorted etc. I now have work offers but no car as yet, so may have to borrow one for time being.

The above said, I did look at the car the other day and I have managed to get the window, mechanisim & trim back in and window wound-up but I ended-up bodging it, by making a temporary wiring bridge, to go from front window motor connection, to the rear window motor and then winding the window up, using the front window switch! .. this will have to do for now, untill I have time later to properly trace the fault, when CitroJims wiring diagrams will come into there own.

... Phew, thought I had lost what I had written then! :shock:

Thank you all for the explanation on the wiring code/s .. that makes it a lot clearer, reading the diagram.

OK .. I better get-on with sorting my life out here, as I am in a panick, trying to do so but had to give you guys a reply! ... O'h I can't MOT the car yet, as there are still niggly odd's & sod's to do, for example a dry bearing on the Air Compressor pulley etc

Catch you all later

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Grum, on the A/C compressor bearing, I'd be very keen to bypass the compressor as the bearing can seize with quite dire consequences to the auxiliary belt and potentially the timing belt too...

My Gabriel has had this treatment for the very same reason... One day I may replace the bearing but that needs a special puller for The A/C compressor pulley.

A shorter auxiliary belt can be fitted top achieve this but the length might need to be worked out from first principles - use a piece of string as a dummy belt and then measure it. The type of belt you will need is a 6PK and the full type number of such a belt will be a 6PK<length> so if your test string belt is, say, 1200mm long you'll need a 6PK1200 belt...

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CitroJim wrote: 21 Jun 2017, 23:57 Grum, on the A/C compressor bearing, I'd be very keen to bypass the compressor as the bearing can seize with quite dire consequences to the auxiliary belt and potentially the timing belt too...
Good Morning Jim,

Thank you for that peice of advice... Beleive me I have had my fair share of belt problems with this car in the past. at one time I was replacing the belt abproximately once a month! #-o ... It turned out to be because of a small nick on the edge of one of the small pulley's.

I spent a lot of time calling around in the past, to try to find someone to pull the pulley off for me, so I could re-grease or replace the bearing but to no avail. In the end I asked a so-called AirCon specialist what they do to replace a dry bearing, if they themselves cant pulll the pulley. They told me that they replace the compressor. I could not beleive it, as a new compressor is over £500.00 I beleive and that's without labour etc :shock:

I have noticed that when I asked for a replacement belt in the past that they have asked whether I have AirCon or not and have wondered whether if I say no and get the non-compressor belt, if it would fit the car, without going over the compressor, which is something I have done with my old Audi but I seem to recall trying it and it not working for some reason but I'm not sure now.

When the car is runnning, the belt does start flapping a bit sometimes and worries me! 8-[ ... So from what you are saying, I will definately have to sort the bearing or bypass the compressor, before I attempt to take for an MOT!

I do have a Compressor puller now by the way! :)

Thank's again by the way and have a good day!
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To bypass the compressor, you would need a different length belt to the non-a/c version, as the roting is different.
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xantia_v6 wrote: 22 Jun 2017, 12:39 To bypass the compressor, you would need a different length belt to the non-a/c version, as the roting is different.


... Yes I realise this Xantia_V6 but as I said, I had a feeling that I had tried to fit a shorter belt that I was sold, to the car once in the past but seem to recall that I couldn't do it for some reason but maybe I am mixing-up car modells or something. My memory isn't brilliant. ... Maybe the problem was that the Compressor itself was in the way! ... Would I have to remove the compressor to fit this shorter belt do you know :?:
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I am not sure if it is the same engine, but see
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On Gabriel, my 1.9TD, there is no need to remove the compressor Grum. As I said in an earlier reply, you need to use a piece of string to determine a route - very similar actually to the normal route - and then measure this string to get the non-standard belt size you need.

A standard belt for a similar non-aircon model will not do...
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Thank's for your efforts and the Link's you have sent me Xantia V6 ... Very helpfull and now I won't have to do Jim's magic rope trick ;-) ... Hmmm... not looked at everything properly [-X and as you mentioned, my engine is a 2.1 diesel I beleive and I also beleive from what I have noticed, that is is not such a common lump! ... So maybe I will have to use CitroJim's magic rope trick after all! :-(

... "A standard belt for a similar non-aircon model will not do..." ... Thank's Jim! #-o

I have been out in the sun today, helping a mate work on his mate's Ski-Boat .... O'h to be able to have time and use it as an excuse to test it but ho-hum, more serious thing's to do, like fix-up a Citroen :roll: ... I hope to have a look at it tomorrow.

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I was working on it the other day, in the sun and when I got in it, the bloody head lining was drooping down, where the sun had heated the glue and it was falling away... Yet another thing that now needs sorting. ... I seem to remember wanting to take the head lining out of the car for some reason in the distant past and looked at the Haynes Manual to see if there was any info but as per useual, when I want to know something from the book it wasn't there and just said "Refer to Dealer"! ... Is it really so hard to remove me wonders! #-o
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Grum, as it's a 2.1TD the auxiliary belt is the same as on a later 1.9TD... If only I knew what length of belt was on Gabriel that would do for you too... Unfortunately the size information has worn off now :(

So, if the links above refer to a 1.9TD then you're laughing...
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