MFD Type B (EMF B) Temperature Pinouts

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MFD Type B (EMF B) Temperature Pinouts

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I've fitted a Type B MFD to my 2004 Berlingo and would like to get the Outside Temp display working. These are normally wired via the BSI, but my car does not have the wiring from the door to the BSI as it's just a bit too old for that option. I read somewhere that it's possible to wire the Temp sensor directly to the MFD but cannot find any info about which 2 pins are used for that. Does anyone have any info?

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Can you post up the VIN?
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RichardW wrote:Can you post up the VIN?

The VIN is - VF7**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff]
I checked on SEDRE and the wiring back from the sensor to the BSI does not show on the diagrams. I can't remember exactly where the info came from but I read that option was only introduced into the wiring after about Mar 2005. It's probably possible to add the wiring into the BSI, but no certainty that the firmware in the BSI will support it. That's why I'm hoping to find out if / where you can wire up to the MFD directly.
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I'm curious. Does your Berlingo have the temp sender in place (in the mirror presumably) but not wired up? Or are you retrofitting it somehow?
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It's a retro-fit, no temp sender or wiring in place. The original MFD type A, was a 2 line display. I've installed a Type B display and enabled the Trip Computer, but not surprisingly the temp reading is just '-- C'
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OK, I understand. It was just that I changed the Type A display for a Type B display on my 2001 Xsara (and another later for a friend) but the difference is that the sender was already there and would display on the Type A display.

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Paul-R wrote:OK, I understand. It was just that I changed the Type A display for a Type B display on my 2001 Xsara (and another later for a friend) but the difference is that the sender was already there and would display on the Type A display.
Now I'm curious! When you changed the MFD, do you recall how many wires went to the connector plug? If I shine a light on my Type A display, I can see where the 'C' is for Temp, but wasn't aware it was possible to show the Temp on that display and thought it was just an Ice warning or similar.
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Sorry, I can't remember how many pins were in the 2 or 3 line displays. I had a look around to see if I could find the old display but, despite never throwing anything away, couldn't.

On the Xsara, even with it being an LX base model, it was really a very simple plug and play replacement. All I had to do was set the date and time afterwards. Everything else (doors open, temperature, etc) just worked.
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No worries, I can trawl the diagrams a bit more. Apologies for not knowing the correct model, was yours a Xsara or Xsara-II?
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Xsara II. The same display was used on my Mk 1 C5 as well and I've no doubt many other models.
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Paul-R wrote:Xsara II. The same display was used on my Mk 1 C5 as well and I've no doubt many other models.
Thanks, it's interesting that in SEDRE the clock / temp display for the Xsara looks to be a low spec version which uses a 6 pin connector but the displays I think you're referring to are the MFD A & B just the same as my Berlingo and as you say, many others. The lower spec display was available on the Berlingo too, for models without radios. There's hope yet, just need to find myself a decent Xsara wiring diagram!
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Screenshot 2017-02-26 15.01.57a.png
This is the best I have which is for the PhI Xsara. From what you say it looks pretty much the same information as you already have. The two wires from the temp sender enter the display on pins 5 and 6. But, this is for the Ph I, the later might be different.
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Thanks for the diagram, the wiring numbering is consistent with the SEDRE diagrams but yours shows some more interesting detail as you can see what each wire is for. The display in the diagram is simple clock & temperature without any bus wiring so as you say there's probably a later diagram. Where is the diagram from?
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I can't remember where I got it from in its pdf form but it matches, page for page, the wiring diagrams in my Haynes book for the PhI Xsara. The only difference is that the pdf is in colour.

Can you confirm, or not, whether your setup uses a 6 pin connection? I have a horrible feeling that the PhII Xsara has more pins as it can display information for doors open, etc.
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Paul-R wrote: Can you confirm, or not, whether your setup uses a 6 pin connection? I have a horrible feeling that the PhII Xsara has more pins as it can display information for doors open, etc.
Mine is the standard 18 pin setup as used on the MFD Type A or Type B. Thanks for the note about the Haynes diagram, I'll take a look at the Berlingo version.
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