Fifth gear identification?

This is the Forum for all your Citroen Technical Questions, Problems or Advice.

Moderator: RichardW

Post Reply
romie
Posts: 451
Joined: 07 May 2010, 14:02
Location: Oxfordshire, UK
My Cars:
x 2

Fifth gear identification?

Post by romie »

Anyone know what these numbers mean from the part numbers given for my fifth gear of my old Citroen Xantia 1.9TD 1996 Estate?
I think it's a BE3 gearbox.

(47x35)
(47x31)

Seems Citroen can't figure it out.

There are 47 teeth on the large cog on this fifth gear.
But the 35 or 31, dunno?

Closest dimension is the inner shaft but it's a whole 1mm bigger, I think when we're working with rather close tolerances, they wouldn't just 'make it up'?
Here's some measurements of the fifth gear.
Diameter = 90.5
Width = 26.7
Small cog teeth = 24
Big cog teeth = 47
Inside diameter = 32
Shaft splines = 22

Cheers

Image

Image

Image

Image
Citroen Xantia 1.9TD 1996 estate 100% veg 323k
Ford Transit Tourneo 2.5L Di 1999 165k
Yamaha R1 1999 26k
Kawasaki ZXR750 L1 1993 66k (to LPG?)
Suzuki Bandit GSF400 1992 x 2
Mountain bike, skateboards, snowboards, surfboard, longboard and feet!
Gibbo2286
(Donor 2020)
Posts: 7172
Joined: 08 Jun 2011, 18:04
Location: GL15***
My Cars: 2006 C5 2.0 Litre HDI VTR Automatic Estate.(now sold on)
Currently Renault Zoe 2014 ZE
x 2500

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by Gibbo2286 »

Gear ratios maybe, count the teeth on the gear it meshes with. my rough calculations give 47:31 = 1.51:1 47:35 = 1.34:1
Man is, by nature, a lazy beast, he does not need twice encouraging to do nothing.
romie
Posts: 451
Joined: 07 May 2010, 14:02
Location: Oxfordshire, UK
My Cars:
x 2

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by romie »

uhhh, I see. ok, will do!
Cheers! :)
Citroen Xantia 1.9TD 1996 estate 100% veg 323k
Ford Transit Tourneo 2.5L Di 1999 165k
Yamaha R1 1999 26k
Kawasaki ZXR750 L1 1993 66k (to LPG?)
Suzuki Bandit GSF400 1992 x 2
Mountain bike, skateboards, snowboards, surfboard, longboard and feet!
romie
Posts: 451
Joined: 07 May 2010, 14:02
Location: Oxfordshire, UK
My Cars:
x 2

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by romie »

Gibbo2286 wrote:Gear ratios maybe, count the teeth on the gear it meshes with. my rough calculations give 47:31 = 1.51:1 47:35 = 1.34:1
Was just going through a few videos of dismantling I happen to have with me at work..

YES!
SPOT ON!

Well done, fella!
No one else got this! :D

Image
Citroen Xantia 1.9TD 1996 estate 100% veg 323k
Ford Transit Tourneo 2.5L Di 1999 165k
Yamaha R1 1999 26k
Kawasaki ZXR750 L1 1993 66k (to LPG?)
Suzuki Bandit GSF400 1992 x 2
Mountain bike, skateboards, snowboards, surfboard, longboard and feet!
User avatar
myglaren
Forum Admin Team
Posts: 25370
Joined: 02 Mar 2008, 13:30
Location: Washington
My Cars: Mazda 6
Ooops.
Previously:
2009 Honda Civic :(
C5, C5, Xantia, BX, GS, Visa.
R4, R11TXE, R14, R30TX
x 4889

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by myglaren »

Your image links aren't working romie
Gibbo2286
(Donor 2020)
Posts: 7172
Joined: 08 Jun 2011, 18:04
Location: GL15***
My Cars: 2006 C5 2.0 Litre HDI VTR Automatic Estate.(now sold on)
Currently Renault Zoe 2014 ZE
x 2500

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by Gibbo2286 »

myglaren wrote:Your image links aren't working romie
All ok for me Steve.
Man is, by nature, a lazy beast, he does not need twice encouraging to do nothing.
User avatar
myglaren
Forum Admin Team
Posts: 25370
Joined: 02 Mar 2008, 13:30
Location: Washington
My Cars: Mazda 6
Ooops.
Previously:
2009 Honda Civic :(
C5, C5, Xantia, BX, GS, Visa.
R4, R11TXE, R14, R30TX
x 4889

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by myglaren »

Just get 502 Bad Gateway.
Will try a different system.
User avatar
GiveMeABreak
Forum Admin Team
Posts: 37014
Joined: 15 Sep 2015, 19:38
Location: West Wales
My Cars: C3 Aircross SUV HDi Flair Peperoncino Red (The Chili Hornet)
C5 X7 2.0 HDi Exclusive Mativoire Beige (The Golden Hornet)
C3 1.6 HDi Exclusive Aluminium Grey (The Silver Hornet)
C5 MK II 2.0 HDi Exclusive Obsidian Black
C5 MK I 2.0 HDi SX Wicked Red
Xantia S2 2.0 HDi SX Hermes Red
C15 Romahome White
XM 2.0 Turbo Prestige Emerald Green Pearlescent
XM 2.0 Turbo Prestige Polar White
XM 2.0 SX Polar White
CX 20 Polar White
GS 1220 Geranium Red
CX 2.4 Prestige C-Matic Nevada Beige
GS 1000 Cedreat Yellow
x 5648

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by GiveMeABreak »

OK with me too - I think you'll need to take the plunge and get Windows 10 Steve :rofl2:
Please Don't PM Me For Technical Help

Marc
User avatar
myglaren
Forum Admin Team
Posts: 25370
Joined: 02 Mar 2008, 13:30
Location: Washington
My Cars: Mazda 6
Ooops.
Previously:
2009 Honda Civic :(
C5, C5, Xantia, BX, GS, Visa.
R4, R11TXE, R14, R30TX
x 4889

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by myglaren »

GiveMeABreak wrote:OK with me too - I think you'll need to take the plunge and get Windows 10 Steve :rofl2:
Not a butterfly in hell's chance :evil:
User avatar
myglaren
Forum Admin Team
Posts: 25370
Joined: 02 Mar 2008, 13:30
Location: Washington
My Cars: Mazda 6
Ooops.
Previously:
2009 Honda Civic :(
C5, C5, Xantia, BX, GS, Visa.
R4, R11TXE, R14, R30TX
x 4889

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by myglaren »

Must be Firefox, OK with Chromium. Having problems with images in The Independent on Firefox too.

May be to do with the https stuff.
romie
Posts: 451
Joined: 07 May 2010, 14:02
Location: Oxfordshire, UK
My Cars:
x 2

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by romie »

:shock: as frugal as I am, i'm still using XP at home!! :shock: :shock:
It works there on Chrome

And here at work I'm using Windows 10
And on Microsoft Edge it's working here as well :?

Hmm
Citroen Xantia 1.9TD 1996 estate 100% veg 323k
Ford Transit Tourneo 2.5L Di 1999 165k
Yamaha R1 1999 26k
Kawasaki ZXR750 L1 1993 66k (to LPG?)
Suzuki Bandit GSF400 1992 x 2
Mountain bike, skateboards, snowboards, surfboard, longboard and feet!
User avatar
CitroJim
A very naughty boy
Posts: 49534
Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 23:33
Location: Paggers
My Cars: Bluebell the AX, Polly the C3 Picasso, Pix the Nissan Pixo, Propel the duathlon bike, TCR Pro the road bike and Fuji the TT bike...
x 6163
Contact:

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by CitroJim »

I'm using Ubuntu with FirePox and never have any of the issues you seem to face Steve...

For me it just works...

Romie, I say again, the easiest is to get a scrap box from a 1.9TD (any) and rescue the 5th gear assembly from that. Wear as you have is rare...
Jim

Runner, cyclist, time triallist, duathlete, Citroen AX fan and the CCC Citroenian 'From A to Z' Columnist...
Gibbo2286
(Donor 2020)
Posts: 7172
Joined: 08 Jun 2011, 18:04
Location: GL15***
My Cars: 2006 C5 2.0 Litre HDI VTR Automatic Estate.(now sold on)
Currently Renault Zoe 2014 ZE
x 2500

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by Gibbo2286 »

I'm on Windows 10, it always works for me with very few problems, I did try Chrome once some time ago but found it to be a real pain to use by comparison...........ubunti and the like are for geeks :-D :-D
Man is, by nature, a lazy beast, he does not need twice encouraging to do nothing.
User avatar
CitroJim
A very naughty boy
Posts: 49534
Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 23:33
Location: Paggers
My Cars: Bluebell the AX, Polly the C3 Picasso, Pix the Nissan Pixo, Propel the duathlon bike, TCR Pro the road bike and Fuji the TT bike...
x 6163
Contact:

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by CitroJim »

I must confess I use both Linux and Windows 10 (albeit for differing purposes) and Win10 is OK as long as it's built from scratch and FirePox is installed on it as a first task.

Big secret with Win 10 is not to fill it up with lots of apps.. Just stick to the bare minimum of why you need an no more...

And if you don't use an app then uninstall it...

Used Windows Server 2012 earlier in the week on a training course... Urggggh! Horrible :evil:
Jim

Runner, cyclist, time triallist, duathlete, Citroen AX fan and the CCC Citroenian 'From A to Z' Columnist...
romie
Posts: 451
Joined: 07 May 2010, 14:02
Location: Oxfordshire, UK
My Cars:
x 2

Re: Fifth gear identification?

Post by romie »

CitroJim wrote:I'm using Ubuntu with FirePox and never have any of the issues you seem to face Steve...

For me it just works...

Romie, I say again, the easiest is to get a scrap box from a 1.9TD (any) and rescue the 5th gear assembly from that. Wear as you have is rare...
I do A LOT of 5th gear travelling in the Xantia.
Surf trips to Cornwall, 80 miles a day round trip to work which is ALL along the M40 motorway...
I tend to just get up to 5th then stay there until she stops :p

She has done 313,000 miles tbf
Dunno if this is 'young' still for a 5th gear failure?

Wish I could turn the thing round and use the other sides of the teeth! ;p hahah

I've noticed a few fifth gear kits around (not one for mine unfortunately)


Only trouble with getting another gearbox as a donor is:
1. I might not get exactly the right parts - (dunno if I have enough knowledge to get the right one :/ )
2. They might be in the same sorry state? :/

Hmm
Citroen Xantia 1.9TD 1996 estate 100% veg 323k
Ford Transit Tourneo 2.5L Di 1999 165k
Yamaha R1 1999 26k
Kawasaki ZXR750 L1 1993 66k (to LPG?)
Suzuki Bandit GSF400 1992 x 2
Mountain bike, skateboards, snowboards, surfboard, longboard and feet!
Post Reply