Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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romie wrote:4ohms for each plug yeah?
Not 4 ohms, but more like 1/2-3/4 (0.5-0.75) ohms. If you find a glowplug is 4 ohms, then it's on the way out.

Best test, as said many times on the forum, is to remove each glowplug & test across a battery, when you'll see the tip glow red hot. Initially, a good glowplug for the TD will draw nearly 20 amps, dropping to approx 12 amps as it heats up. Best not to hold it in any way, as it gets hot, and also takes a little while to cool down again. You'd need an ammeter that reads 20 amps to test an individual glowplug - many multimeters only go up to 10 amps.

In the past, I've tried measuring the current between the glowplug's busbar, and the battery, but I haven't found the figure on the ammeter to be very conclusive as to whether 1 glowplug has failed or not. Nowadays I test them individually. You can of course, measure their resistance in-situ, but you need to disconnect the other glowplugs, and it can be difficult getting a good contact with the multimeter's probes (if that's how you do it).
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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When you test the glow plugs (by powering them up) they need to glow at the tip. If they glow in the middle they are (according to what I have read elsewhere on the forum) not of any use.
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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amd leaning towards a pre heater circuit failure on mine as well - seems my new and shiny denso glow plugs are kaput now as well - 2 sets in 6 months.

relay? heater controls?
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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There's a rule for glow plugs for an XUDT - fit ONLY Beru plugs. Anything else just doesn't last for some reason.
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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ha bugger. Fair enough, this'll be my next test.

Before starting this morning, I cracked Cylinder No.1 injector nut.
Dunno if it's me but she seemed to want to start better then when I put it back on! :/
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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Arse

Ok I hold my head in shame.
Finally got the car back together 11pm last night, hate it having to work with a head torch.
But anyway, putting plugs across the battery terminals as suggested (ta!), and two were getting warm but not glowing red hot like the other two :/

Fixed! ugh. I'll go away with tail between legs...
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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All part of lifes rich pattern :) I once had three glowplugs fail overnight, turning a first time starter into a totally dead car.
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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romie wrote:Fixed!
Fingers crossed for you. Always satisfying when the problem's solved :)

I find my TD to be a devil to start if 2 glowplugs have failed, but suspect I've driven quite a few miles in summer months with 1 glowplug down, without really noticing until a second one failed.
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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seems changing the fuel filter has kept the pressure up..... and battery might be fixed as well
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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Think a lot of problems with glow plugs on these engines is that they're not just on/off, but are also run in a lower power state I believe for some time, which many glow plugs don't like.

An XUD will start just fine and chug a bit on three cylinders, but generally won't entertain it on two.

I've got one lazy plug on my Xantia which I'll really need to get changed before the weather gets colder again...
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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do it and fit some quality ones - all 4 of mine are denso and work well - although its been suggested Beru are better on XUD?
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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I've got a set here (can't remember the brand off the top of my head), reckon it's had a set done not that long ago, but they skimped on the awkward one that's buried under the fuel pump. Only showed up noticeably when the temps were in single digits, but will certainly be getting done pretty soon - sorting the Saab's intermittent alternator and leaky exhaust are higher up the list though...
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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as suggested on here - a ring ratchet spanner did the job for me
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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er, dog-legged ring spanner did it for me - finally :p
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Re: Xantia 1996 1.9TD 293K starting problem

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reckon that glow plug wiring needs to be replaced next time, looking quite old and worn
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