Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
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Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
I write this with a heavy heart.
My beloved P reg synergie has only 124k on the clock, and a beautiful XUD9TE engine.
It's rare you find this diesel engine with few miles. It passed the MOT with no problems when I got it last year. None of my pugs ever did that, lol.
However it has REAL issues.
Mainly, getting into first and reverse are an absolute pain in bum to engage.
I think it needs a new clutch.
Problem is I am assuming it's a massive engine out job.
I have a few independant quotes ranging from £500-£800 and as a single Mother I just can't pay that.
Problem is, I can't afford another car either.
I've got my hands dirty before, doing rocker cover gaskets, abs sensor, even re-wired air bag electrics.
I'd love to have a crack at doing this job by myself but I don't know what would be involved.
Has anyone else had this problem and managed to replace the clutch themselves?
Thanks in advance.
My beloved P reg synergie has only 124k on the clock, and a beautiful XUD9TE engine.
It's rare you find this diesel engine with few miles. It passed the MOT with no problems when I got it last year. None of my pugs ever did that, lol.
However it has REAL issues.
Mainly, getting into first and reverse are an absolute pain in bum to engage.
I think it needs a new clutch.
Problem is I am assuming it's a massive engine out job.
I have a few independant quotes ranging from £500-£800 and as a single Mother I just can't pay that.
Problem is, I can't afford another car either.
I've got my hands dirty before, doing rocker cover gaskets, abs sensor, even re-wired air bag electrics.
I'd love to have a crack at doing this job by myself but I don't know what would be involved.
Has anyone else had this problem and managed to replace the clutch themselves?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
Tell us where you are and someone may be better able to offer a solution.
Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
Thank you, I'm in Oxfordshire.
Just rang Pug1off who told me to try the gears with the engine off - and I just did.
NO problem engaging them with the engine off!
Which then eliminates linkages of sorts.
Just looked up and it's got a BVM ML5T gearbox.
Looking at easily £500 of work, not impressed with the car..
Wondering whether to sell on, I'm sure there's a pretty little 205 out there that wants my XUD9 TE engine... Hell - I wanted one for my 205 last year!
Just rang Pug1off who told me to try the gears with the engine off - and I just did.
NO problem engaging them with the engine off!
Which then eliminates linkages of sorts.
Just looked up and it's got a BVM ML5T gearbox.
Looking at easily £500 of work, not impressed with the car..
Wondering whether to sell on, I'm sure there's a pretty little 205 out there that wants my XUD9 TE engine... Hell - I wanted one for my 205 last year!
Citroen Synergie - 1.9 DT XUD9 TE lump (8 seater, daily driver)
Peugeot 406 ~ 2.0 Petrol estate (Sold in 2014, Missed every day.)
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Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
When was the gearbox oil last changed? (possibly never with that low mileage )
Why do you think it may be the clutch?
I have the same gearbox in my Xantia and had a similar issue with gear selection. Really big improvement achieved by draining the gearbox and refilling with Total BV 75w-80 g/box oil.
Why do you think it may be the clutch?
I have the same gearbox in my Xantia and had a similar issue with gear selection. Really big improvement achieved by draining the gearbox and refilling with Total BV 75w-80 g/box oil.
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Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
Just have information it is the synchros. Not sure what they are or how they would be replaced?
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Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
If it is the synchro rings, it's a g/box out and dismantle job
I'd still be inclined to try an oil change before you commit to any major expense on the g/box. The box hold 1.8litres and the oil is about £7 per litre.
I'd still be inclined to try an oil change before you commit to any major expense on the g/box. The box hold 1.8litres and the oil is about £7 per litre.
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Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
You can get the right oil from GSF at about £6.50 per litre (which is about £2 cheaper then Citroen/Peugeot). It is BV 75W80 gearbox oil, from Total (which is the same from either supplier).
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Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
grab another box maybe? one of those shouldn't cost anything much, just some labour to remove..
changing box and / or clutch is not a big 'engine out' task really.. sure it's several hours, but nothing to bad..
dunno
changing box and / or clutch is not a big 'engine out' task really.. sure it's several hours, but nothing to bad..
dunno
Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
Will worn sychro cones cause baulking when attempting to engage first? Changing down, maybe, but surely not from stationary? Does reverse even have synchromesh?
Sounds possibly like clutch drag to me.
Sounds possibly like clutch drag to me.
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Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
yes good thinking Dn.. OP a clutch cable adjust, and then gearbox oil change as stated above may be enough..
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guess this car will have an auto adjust clutch.. so that means a new cable..
how far can the foot be lifted from floor to begin to engage ?
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guess this car will have an auto adjust clutch.. so that means a new cable..
how far can the foot be lifted from floor to begin to engage ?
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Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
Surely if it's the ML5 g/box it will be hydraulic clutch operation not cable?
Well I never ! Just checked on Citroen service and it is indeed cable operated.
Well I never ! Just checked on Citroen service and it is indeed cable operated.
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Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
First thing I wojld try is to turn engine off, engage 1st then try to start the engine with clutch depressed fully. If the car tries to move forward, you know the clutch is dragging.
Not sure if it's cable or hydraulic on that car, but it could be something as silly as needing adjustment (don't always assume auto adjusters to be working!) Or a fault in the hydraulic circuit.
Usually I've found worn clutches to slip rather than drag...though I know the clutch on the Xantia at least is a bit odd apparently, and it's the same engine so may also be true here!
Here's hoping it's actually an easy fix!
Stuffed syncro ring by the way I would expect to cause it to crunch while trying to go into gear rather than baulking - reverse doesn't have any syncro either for that matter...so that's a diagnosis I would be taking with a pinch of salt I think unless a gearbox specialist tells me I'm wrong.
Not sure if it's cable or hydraulic on that car, but it could be something as silly as needing adjustment (don't always assume auto adjusters to be working!) Or a fault in the hydraulic circuit.
Usually I've found worn clutches to slip rather than drag...though I know the clutch on the Xantia at least is a bit odd apparently, and it's the same engine so may also be true here!
Here's hoping it's actually an easy fix!
Stuffed syncro ring by the way I would expect to cause it to crunch while trying to go into gear rather than baulking - reverse doesn't have any syncro either for that matter...so that's a diagnosis I would be taking with a pinch of salt I think unless a gearbox specialist tells me I'm wrong.
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Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
The ML5T gearbox has a hydraulic clutch, while the BE3 is a cable clutch. Both boxes use the same type of gearbox oil.
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Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
......except when used in the Synergie according to Citroen ServiceHell Razor5543 wrote:The ML5T gearbox has a hydraulic clutch
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Re: Clutch / Gear issues - Can I do this?
First things first. Your problem is almost certainly the clutch. Reverse doesn't have a syncro and first only needs the syncro if the vehicle is moving. The fact that it goes in gear with the engine off means it's 95% certain to be the clutch. The bad news is it's unlikely you'd be able to do the job yourself. The ml5 gearbox is quite a heavy box and the job generally is quite physical. You're also unlikely to have all the neccessary tools. The clutch kit is currently listed at £150 on ecp website, so you may find someone to do the job for £400 all in.