leaking automatic transmission

[Mandrake]

Why not just get the correct seals from Citroen ?

Part 2212 17 (item 6 in the diagram) is £1.24 including VAT.

For something so critical I would go for the OEM part rather than trying to guess what 3rd party replacement might or might not fit or last, especially at that price. If you don't have a nearby dealer I'm sure one of the forum members could pick one up and post it to you...

For reference here are the other seals on the heat exchanger: (I'm not clear from looking at the diagram whether they could cause an oil leak or not - Jim ?)

Part 2275 38 (item 2) £1.66 ea (two needed)
Part 2212 16 (item 4) £1.58 ea (two needed)

If it were me I'd get all of them just in case. Also to remove the seal at the top end of the Banjo line you will most likely have to loosen the bolt on the banjo to let the banjo turn - that's when one of the alloy washers on mine split, (due to corrosion) so you're probably best to have those on hand too!! Even if one doesn't split in half if its badly corroded it may not seal again once disturbed.

Part 2219 12 (item 8) £2.05 ea (two needed)

[CitroJim]

For reference here are the other seals on the heat exchanger: (I'm not clear from looking at the diagram whether they could cause an oil leak or not - Jim ?)

They could indeed but rarely do in my experience. I have always reused them in the past as they've always been nicely soft...

That's not to say they are OK on yours Roy so as Simon says...

If it were me I'd get all of them just in case. Also to remove the seal at the top end of the Banjo line you will most likely have to loosen the bolt on the banjo to let the banjo turn - that's when one of the alloy washers on mine split, (due to corrosion) so you're probably best to have those on hand too!! Even if one doesn't split in half if its badly corroded it may not seal again once disturbed.

I 100% agree. You will have to disturb the banjo to get at the top O ring pipe seal, in fact the pipe will have to be fully removed.

It's also with checking the pipe itself. I have a spare HP20 here and the pipe itself is extremely well corroded. If yours is badly corroded too Roy it could have pin-holed and with up to 18 bars of pressure in the pipe that could cause a fair old leak.

[RoyChristie]

Thanks guys,
I'm all for OEM myself but the dealers locally want to sell me a kit for £112 or a full kit £220, not separate seals

I'll call them back and force the issue.
Good thinking on the pipe, mine looks good at the banjo end but who knows what lurks beneath ...
Thanks again, I'll be in touch

[Mandrake]

Thanks guys,
I'm all for OEM myself but the dealers locally want to sell me a kit for £112 or a full kit £220, not separate seals

A kit of what ? Gold bars ?

You're talking about £10 worth of seals and washers all up. I've never had any issues buying small items like this from my nearest dealer - usually I can just order them over the phone and if the total value is under about £30 they don't even ask for a phone number or credit card number!

Sounds like you have some unhelpful ripoffs there... I would go in armed with the list of part numbers and prices and ask why they can't just order them for you. If they see you have the part numbers and prices they might be less likely to muck you around or overcharge you...

[RoyChristie]

Parts ordered from my local DoubleChevron shop, saving almost £100 against their kit
Packaging costs a fortune these days
THANKS FOLKS

edit : Simon, the guys at the shop are great, now that I gave them the part No.s They do not have the parts listed separately; just the gold bars

[RichardW]

Looks like they quoted for these which are full seal / repair kits, rather than just individual seals:

Part Number Description Quantity Price excl. VAT Price incl. VAT Total incl. VAT Selection
0000229955 GASKET KIT 237.92 GBP 285.50 GBP 285.50 GBP

0000229958 GASKET KIT 112.69 GBP 135.23 GBP 135.23 GBP

[RoyChristie]

Agreed Richard.
£11.82 worth of seals and gaskets when placed in a red/white bag becomes
0000229958 GASKET KIT 112.69 GBP 135.23 GBP 135.23 GBP
Pure MAGIC

I've had to order a pack of 10 x 2212.17 seals and the rest in the required pairs
So I get LOTS of red/white bags, winning - even on packaging

[Mandrake]

edit : Simon, the guys at the shop are great, now that I gave them the part No.s They do not have the parts listed separately; just the gold bars

They should have access to service.citroen.com to look up the parts though - that's all Richard and I do...

It's worth signing up for a (free) service citroen account of your own - any time I need parts I do my homework first by looking it up on service citroen - that way I know the part numbers, the price and whether they are still available (or NFP) before I even contact Citroen! Saves a lot of hassle trying to describe a part over the phone to have the wrong thing arrive or to only then find that it's no longer available...

Richard - how did you find those gasket kit part numbers, and surely there is more than £12 worth of seals in them ???

[Mandrake]

It's also with checking the pipe itself. I have a spare HP20 here and the pipe itself is extremely well corroded. If yours is badly corroded too Roy it could have pin-holed and with up to 18 bars of pressure in the pipe that could cause a fair old leak.

That's a jolly good point. If the banjo joint is not leaking then it could well be a pinhole in the pipe - the pipe on my old one was very corroded too. Let's hope it's not that! At least there should be plenty of failed 4HP20's around to hopefully get a replacement banjo pipe from...

[RichardW]

Gearbox>repair kit automatic gearbox :





Actually I would venture that neither contains either the banjo washers or the pipe seal at the other end

PS the pipe is a surprisingly reasonably £30

[CitroJim]

Actually I would venture that neither contains either the banjo washers or the pipe seal at the other end

Quite shockingly, you're right Richard..

I've not used that kit in rebuilds due to the cost of it. Individual seals can be got from automatic transmission specialists as I've not had the situation where most of those seals can't be successfully re-used...

The big paper casing gaskets are surprisingly dear... About £25 as far as I can remember.

[RoyChristie]

Back after some absence....
the gearbox is dead, making nasty rumbling - not worth my fixing it
so
I've brought the S1 V6 out of storage
and I'm now using that one instead...

two weeks ago my ex left my silver V6 parked while she went to a pal's place for a cuppa
and when she came out she found the fire brigade had extinguished an under bonnet fire -
so that is two less on the planet.
And I've only got my precious green one left

I should get a few years out of her though as she has 77k miles and is still in excellent form.

No intelligent feedback was rec'd from Citroen technical on the fluid compatibility.

Drive nice all ye
and have a very merry Christmas

Roy

[RoyChristie]

oh ... and thanks again, all, for the support and advice

[CitroJim]

Oh dear Roy, not a happy time for V6s..

Can you not use the fried one as a gearbox donor for the other?

[Mandrake]

Sorry to hear about the gearbox Roy

Have you considered getting a hot flush done on your 77k gearbox to keep it healthy, especially if it's your last remaining Xantia V6 ?

My S1 V6 has done 68k now (65k when I bought it in July) and I'm planning to get Mackies to do a hot flush on it as preventative maintenance.

After living under the threat of a failing gearbox for over a year on my old V6 (which then did fail soon after sold, in spectacular horrible noise fashion) I really do think it's worth it for peace of mind...