synergie diesel hard work to start - bubbles fuel line

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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

Post by Richard_C »

when it does start up, is the Rev counter behaving normally or Is it erratic or dead? It could be the crankshaft position sensor, or even just the wire to it disturbed. The 1.9 TD will start and run with the cps faulty, but rbadly as the injector timing is far from perfect. The cps also sends signal to rev counter so,it's a proxy diagnostic tool.

I had a panic with mine recently when it sounded like a machine gun nest had gone to war under the bonnet, and the Rev counter said zero. I was in a remote place and It was after a very wet run the night before, a spray of wd40 in the general area and a restart sorted it, but when the weather is warmer I will have a proper look and maybe replace the sensor.
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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

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hmmm might well be coming over your way sooner rather than later if you have any spare slots available?
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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

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it sounds like it is firing on 2 then 3 then finally all 4 - would a code reader help? looking at getting 1 from the dreaded `bay
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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

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well Simon you know i have a DIS-LEXIA,
Regards, malcolm.

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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

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sorry to bump this guys but this is from about 10 mins ago


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battery now on charge as she didn't start at all
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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

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had you had her running before that today Simon????
Regards, malcolm.

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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

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no that was a cold start this morning
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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

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so - glow plug relays - change them I guess? where abouts can I find them?
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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

Post by kenbw2 »

I changed out my glow plugs on my 1.9D Synergie and still find that it needs 3 or 4 warms on a very cold day (less than 5 degrees). Definitely helped though, it spluttered constantly before
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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

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changed them already - might have to change them again
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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

Post by ekjdm14 »

Have you checked to see if you're getting power to the glow plugs yet? if it does turn out to be the relay I have a brand new unused one here bought in error by our ZX's previous owner, got the receipt still, FEBI part number 38725 £30 posted if that's any help to you? (I have it on ebay at 40)

FWIW have you got the spec of the glow plugs you fitted, I believe the ones from earlier non-post heated systems will physically fit in the head but if they're not afterglow capable then they could have burned out in short order due to the way the heater relay works on these motors (this was the problem with our ZX in the end, 6month old plugs all gone pop through overheating)
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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

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when I checked on the ngk website , they listed the same part for all the entire run of the synergie 1.9TD

the ones I am using are:

RTG GP924 x4
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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

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theres power to the crossbar , so as Malcom initially said when I saw him - needs new plugs

time to cough up for proper bosch ones
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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

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i would stick with bosch, but as i said to you before mind you DO NOT let the positive pole of each plug rotated on tightening the 8mm nut
Regards, malcolm.

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Re: synergie diesel hard work to start

Post by ekjdm14 »

yeh could just have been cheap plugs not lasting, the failed ones in our ZX were NGK, was going to get Bosch as well but thought we'd give Denso a try as I've been pleased with their electricals before & they were same price as the NGK's... time will tell if they're any better than the pee poor offerings of the Nippon Gaishi Kaisha's factory :)
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