citroen were stupid not ........
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citroen were stupid not ........
....... to offer cruise on the last two years of Xantia hdi production..
after Bosch incorporated cruise into the ecu for what ever reason and Citroen did not bother to offer it on hdis. The option would of been a nice attraction on exclusive's at least and made a nice equipment package..
It works exceptionally well and how I thought. It doesnt use the throttle sesnsor but actually controls internally what the throttle sensor adjusts when you use the throttle.
What I do find when useing it is it appears to feel that the speed increase is more prominent then using the throttle myself. It pulls well on the speed increase.. you can also feel it accellerate to when speed is lost.
it should of been on the options list on the last 2 to 3 years.. If you fancy it its well worth searching out a late X or Y reg car getting the ecu AND body computer and at least one key. This also means you do NOT need the keycard code from either car to install it all.. all you need to do is lexia your RF plip to the replaced body computer.
after Bosch incorporated cruise into the ecu for what ever reason and Citroen did not bother to offer it on hdis. The option would of been a nice attraction on exclusive's at least and made a nice equipment package..
It works exceptionally well and how I thought. It doesnt use the throttle sesnsor but actually controls internally what the throttle sensor adjusts when you use the throttle.
What I do find when useing it is it appears to feel that the speed increase is more prominent then using the throttle myself. It pulls well on the speed increase.. you can also feel it accellerate to when speed is lost.
it should of been on the options list on the last 2 to 3 years.. If you fancy it its well worth searching out a late X or Y reg car getting the ecu AND body computer and at least one key. This also means you do NOT need the keycard code from either car to install it all.. all you need to do is lexia your RF plip to the replaced body computer.
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Re: citroen were stupid not ........
I'd imagine the cost involved adding it to a model that was about to end production is what stopped it. While you've found it's relatively easy to retrofit, it would have been harder to production quality fit and ensure it worked safely enough for their customers. It's a shame as you say though.
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Re: citroen were stupid not ........
But it was already available on other models of the Xantia!
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Re: citroen were stupid not ........
Precisely.. if its already laid in a harness why remove it..
never mind.. soooo glad I spent the time on it getting it to work!!
never mind.. soooo glad I spent the time on it getting it to work!!
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Re: citroen were stupid not ........
Ah did not know that, the only one I was aware of for the Xantia was the V6 suction one. For some reason I thought the one people had retrofitted was from a C5. Blame the bug I'm fighting (I'd post a suitable under the weather smilie here but I don't have access to the current live server to sort that out).Hell Razor5543 wrote:But it was already available on other models of the Xantia!
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Mind you, I don't know if it works the same way.Xac wrote:Ah did not know that, the only one I was aware of for the Xantia was the V6 suction one. For some reason I thought the one people had retrofitted was from a C5. Blame the bug I'm fighting (I'd post a suitable under the weather smilie here but I don't have access to the current live server to sort that out).Hell Razor5543 wrote:But it was already available on other models of the Xantia!
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Re: citroen were stupid not ........
The hdi one is ecu contained and is stalk and brake pedal no connection those are the only connections need making.
This setup is identical to mark one c5s ... as again on them you only need the stalk and switch it on in the engine ecu only. Theres no need to access the bsi on mk.1 c5 hdis to activateit.
This setup is identical to mark one c5s ... as again on them you only need the stalk and switch it on in the engine ecu only. Theres no need to access the bsi on mk.1 c5 hdis to activateit.
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Re: citroen were stupid not ........
It will be the same for any hdi powered thing from 1999 onwards.
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Re: citroen were stupid not ........
Late 2.1 turbodiesel XM's and presumably Xantias have the cruise functionality built in to the injection ECU. It can be retrofitted with the addition of the appropriate switches, relays and wiring - did mine for a Lucas EPIC system.
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Re: citroen were stupid not ........
What counts as a "late" 2.1? ECU Part number? Was the 2.1 ever fitted to S2 Xantias?kenhall1202 wrote:Late 2.1 turbodiesel XM's and presumably Xantias have the cruise functionality built in to the injection ECU. It can be retrofitted with the addition of the appropriate switches, relays and wiring - did mine for a Lucas EPIC system.
Reason for asking is that I saved the ECU from our scrapped 1998 Xantia 2.1 VSX in case anyone wanted it.
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Re: citroen were stupid not ........
Probably post 1995 with the introduction of the Lucas EPIC electronically controlled injection system. My 1996 made XM 2.1TD (RP= 7249) has Lucas ECU label full details as follows:
DCU R04010019A
80708A HOG
Serial no 95045
9627453880
XUDLC01
12V= 05.08.96
OA 12
I'm not familiar with S2 Xantia engine range I'm afraid but Citroen Service does show a 2.1TD option.
DCU R04010019A
80708A HOG
Serial no 95045
9627453880
XUDLC01
12V= 05.08.96
OA 12
I'm not familiar with S2 Xantia engine range I'm afraid but Citroen Service does show a 2.1TD option.
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Re: citroen were stupid not ........
EVEN WORSE!!
The same bits were available on the 2.5 XM from its start of production! a good few years before the HDi came along.
Try having the speed set at 60-70 Paul and engage resume at about 30-40.... its pretty dam sharp thats for sure as my bosch 2.5 seems to be able to build boost quicker when using cruise to build backup than the accelerator... i guess its the softer mapping for the TPS where as the ECU and cruise function just sense they are way off where they have been set and dump fuel in as quickly as possible without regard for smoothness.
The same bits were available on the 2.5 XM from its start of production! a good few years before the HDi came along.
Try having the speed set at 60-70 Paul and engage resume at about 30-40.... its pretty dam sharp thats for sure as my bosch 2.5 seems to be able to build boost quicker when using cruise to build backup than the accelerator... i guess its the softer mapping for the TPS where as the ECU and cruise function just sense they are way off where they have been set and dump fuel in as quickly as possible without regard for smoothness.
Re: Re: citroen were stupid not ........
My 2.0HDi Berlingo (Siemens ECU) also behaves like this. If I've got cruise set to 65 and resume at 40, it's quicker to get back to 60 than with the accelerator and my foot.KP wrote:....seems to be able to build boost quicker when using cruise to build backup than the accelerator... i guess its the softer mapping for the TPS where as the ECU and cruise function just sense they are way off where they have been set and dump fuel in as quickly as possible without regard for smoothness.