new clutch in and slight slipping remains??

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hey guys,
the car had its first proper test yesterday with a run upto my Brothers and back, i noticed on pulling out of a garage forecourt and making a little progress the clutch was a but slippy, and again as filtering onto the A30 from a slip road with a sharp bend, seems that under load just after the turbo boosts around 2800rpm through to 3200rpm it slips, not noticeable in 1st or 2nd, but is in third upwards, i wasn't initially too concerned as in 5th it slips at above the speed limit (tested on my very own private road of course! ;-) ) but on the hill into the village in 3rd with a bit of weight in the car it was slipping,

before i fitted the clutch i wiped it down with Isopropyl alcohol on the friction plate and main housing, and also after cleaning the Years of old clutch dust off the flywheel wiped it over, however, it had sat fitted for a couple of days without the box on due to waiting for the bushes to arrive, i dont thing anything could have got at it,
now one thought i had is that i may have got a little grease/dirt on it during fitting?? i know i tried my best hot too, but its possible, another is that the flywheel may be a bit goosed?? obviously i dont want to have to take the box off if i can help it (if the chance itrs the flywheel then obviously it'll have to come off) but one thought i had, and i dont know if it would help at all but, If i was to pop it up on stands, drop it in gear and pour some IPA down through the gap in the casing on the box (the one on top thats covered with a bit of tape) to try and clean it whilst its spinning round??

any tips, pointers or suggestions gratefully recieved, lost a little confidence in it again after the brief hiatus of fixed it joy! ;-)
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Re: new clutch in and slight slipping remains??

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Presumably it's an auto adjust cable? Might be that the adjuster is not working properly / not re-set. I remember someone (Handyman?) putting a post up about resetting the adjuster, but I couldn't grasp what he was on about :-D You might be able to reset it by letting it bang up a few times - brutal, but might wake it up. Was the old clutch actually worn down to the rivets, or might the cable have been at fault all along....????
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Yes is a auto adjust one, well I assume so through not having any means of adjustment, the Old clutch was a sachs one and had been Juddering since we bought it, 3 years ago! ;-) it was pretty bad, all the springs rattled, didn't Fully check it over, but will have a nose, is in the shed, will do a couple of clutch thumps and see if that does much,
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Hi Timmo, I do hope the clutch I sent you is ok, I had no problems with it on mine but did advise it had been sitting in a box with other oily bits and would need a clean. I wonder if a bit of heavy handed clutch abuse would burn off any remaining contaminants?
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Evilally, thanks fella, I took your advice and gave it a good clean with isopropyl and then wrapped it up in grease proof paper before it went back in the box ready,
I'm pretty sure its Not the clutch, it was Practically New!
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Timmo wrote: then wrapped it up in grease proof paper before it went back in the box ready,
you did take the grease proof paper off before fitting :-D #-o :roll: :wink:

just kidding

apart from whats already been said i cant think of anything else, as im sure you have the skills required to not have assembled out wrong
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Thanks guys,
Never be too sure malcom! There may have been a whiff of The Paaaaaaasty (cornishness inserted into Forum! ;-)) shop up the Road! ;-) :-D :-P

Would it be worth replacing the cable as an option? I do understand its Not the most pleasant of Jobs! ;-)
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I have replaced an auto adjustor clutch cable, and while it isn't that difficult, the most fiddly bit is fitting it to the pedal. I got my cable from GSF (cost me about £21, while Citroen wanted £43). After a mistake which allowed the securing clip to come loose, I wrapped the clip with packing tape to make sure it didn't come off again.
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Is it possible to fit the friction plate the wrong way around? I notice that the splines through the middle protrude more on one side than the other. What would the consequences of doing so be?
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Iirc it Doesnt sit flush with the flywheel if on one way? I did look at that, but went with what looked to fit best??
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Correct, it simply WONT go on the wrong way round.

It has to be the cable holding it off... PLEASE FORGIVE ME TIMMO: You did tight ALL 6 torx head bolts TIGHT on the outer edge of the pressure plate??
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Ha! Yes matey, they were done Tight! ;-)

Is the self adjusting bit of the cable 'serviceable'?? Or a open it up and Twang Ping kinda thing happens! ;-)
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I wonder if the juddering from the old clutch is an indication of the problem with the new one - presumably the juddering was caused by intermittent slipping as opposed to a warped friction plate? Was there any signs of leaking from the crank seal? Was it a complete kit that was fitted or just the friction plate? Was the flywheel discoloured or glazed?

No offense meant if you've already checked all these things, I've been in a few cars with new clutches that juddered and always wondered why.

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its been sat in the shed since last week and hasnt been carefully strored ;-)
the old clutch pedal was stiff and judde3red a lot on pulling away, bight was at the top of the pedal too, towards the end it would slip in any gear as soon as the turbo boosted up, wasn't far off barely driveable! (most roads to the village are Up hills!! ;-)

the new clutch is a valeo, the pedal is lovely and liught and the bight at towards the bottom of the pedal, no juddering at all, just a light slip between 2800-3200rpm's noticable more in 4th and 5th,

i think for the sake of £30 i'll get a new cable and fit that later this week, then its a bit more done for peace of mind!!
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Wait! you put that Scachs clutch in???!!!! :shock: Surley not! Its not suprising its slipping if thats what you put in!
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