Citroen H Van engine transplant

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Citroen H Van engine transplant

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Hi folks, after quite a few months of inactivity, we have started work back on the van, the main hold up was obtaining a front screen panel, now this problem has been addressed we can resume the task of welding.
looking forward the next major job will be an engine replacement, the existing engine is running ok , but we feel that if the van is going to be used on a regular basis a more efficient unit that can actually keep up with modern day traffic is needed.
I have found a forum that suggests a VW Passat or Audi A4 TDI unit should fit, ideally i would like to keep transplant Citroen based, are there any suggestions as too any Citroen TD units that may be suitable?
Thanks in advance Paul...
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Why not an HDi unit?
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I'd imagine the 1.9 XUDT would be the best choice for simplicity, ease of installation (no ECUs, CPH, blah blah) and I'm sure I've seen them mounted for RWD applications so kits or the know-how to fit it that way is there.

Obviously the only true choice is an ES9J V6..
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The "problem" of using HDI or XUD is that they are transverse engines, the engine i need is a traditional "in-line" engine front/gearbox behind (if that makes sense ? ) thats where the suggestion of the VW/Audi comes from, the van is FWD , but saying that someone mentioned a Land Rover set-up, so a 4x4 may be an option !!! lol
Thanks for replies Paul.
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Yes. I know that. You can install an XUD inline. I've seen it done. Just need a suitable bellhousing and gearbox.

Common practise to install Ford FWD engines the other way round with a type-9 gearbox in specials or as a way of modernising MK2 Escorts, Capris, MGBs or Morris 1000 amongst others. I see no reason it shouldn't be possible on a H-Van with an XUDT.
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I have seen the xud9 fitted to a Peugeot 505 many years ago. The Suzuki Grand Vitara used the 2l HDI engine fitted north south or inline, the 8 valve from 2000 to about 2002 and the 16 valve up to 2006. The ECU from the Suzuki might be an option as it was less integrated with the rest of the car. The tdi from a Passat or A4 can probably be fitted with its own gearbox leaving the half shafts to be modified. There is probably a way to bypass the immobiliser for both the TDI and the HDI if you don't want to fit it.
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i spoz you have trawled the HY forums via goooogly searching????

the Dutch seem to be good at mod cons

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... 6bih%3D885" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Stick a V6 in it, you know it makes sense. Oodles of power to trawl around these old rustbuckets. :shock: #-o

If you did, I'd like to know how you got on, as thats what I want to do for SWMBOs chocolate business. :rofl2:

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Thanks for all feedback.
Malcolm thanks for your Dutch link, that seems to be a treasure trove of info !!, i had previously "googled" H Van forums, but to no avail, doing a V6-V8 conversion as appealing, but as we plan to put a few miles on the clock once completed, economically a derv conversion is the route we need to take.
BTW there is a Rover V8 conversion kicking around, but apparently it's still running on original brakes with drums all round !!!!!!!
Thanks for now Paul........
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Saab 900 (classic) 2 litre petrol engine (or T8/T16 turbo) would be an easy fit as they are north-south mounted and have the gearbox under the engine.

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fatherjack2002 wrote: there is a Rover V8 conversion kicking around, but apparently it's still running on original brakes with drums all round !!!!!!!
Thanks for now Paul........

i did try finding something with a goooogly search on that V8 H, but could not see out,

i belive its running on LPG,

i have seen it at some dersh ( 2CV meets )
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There you are Father Jack, thats your answer for efficiency & economy, V6 with LPG. You'll get better performance with the bigger engine & the economy with the LPG. You must remember power to weight ratios when doing engine swaps. The larger the donkey you can fit, the more power & hence a better power to weight ratio, therefore better economy, as you'll need less revs to move the mass of the H. A 1.9TD might be good in the lighter Xantia, and make a ZX fly, but it might struggle when fitted to a H.

From what I've seen of H brakes, they are a little bit over engineered for what they need to do, but if you were of a mind, disc brakes all round would be a step up. H drum brakes, properly set up should be adequate.

What about a V6 diesel? :rofl2:

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Or three 2CV units!
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handyman wrote: From what I've seen of H brakes, they are a little bit over engineered for what they need to do, but if you were of a mind, disc brakes all round would be a step up. H drum brakes, properly set up should be adequate.

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the H i look after showed around 600 on the MOT brake tester
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Once again, many thanks for your comments, looking forward if i used a "north/south" engine from a VW/Audi 1.9 TD, would it be feasible to try to get a complete LHD car ? that way i may (with some modifications) be able to utilise the all the running gear and the LHD components, steering rack/etc, and fit discs all round.
The other V6 LPG option sounds interesting, showing my ignorance here, but do most of the Mitsubishi,Toyota, etc have "north/south engine set-ups ? and how difficult would that be to put into place?
I await your comments with interest.
Cheers Paul..
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