C5 versus Xantia 2.0 hdi

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C5 versus Xantia 2.0 hdi

Post by bill hughes »

My 1994 xantia is getting past its sell by date and I was considering getting a fairly early C5 hdi but looking on the forum it seems to be the most problems on the forum are with the C5 not least of all the posting by HDI, my question is would I be better off looking for a late xantia 2.0 hdi I use my car for mostly short trips but also fairly frequent 800 mile round trips to France, any advice would be welcome, many thanks
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Post by citroenxm »

The c5 issues mainly concern the car not the hdi engine.. get a series two c5 with the larger head and tail lights (on saloons) with the 2.0 16v engine. Avoid the 1.6 engine...

Late good xantias getting hard to find now.. they pop up now and again. If you really want a c5 go for as NEW as possible.. the vtr and vtr plus specs are good and came later around 04 ..

Theres lots to check on the c5 and this exact debate has been discussed many times on here..
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I was also in the same delimma, I think its time to change my 1994 1.9 TD xantia. However I am in portugal where second hand cars are much more expensive.

One option was to go to 2003 C5 2.0 HDI around 200.000+ kms which would cost me around 4000-4500 euros. something like this

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A second alternative was to go for this Xantia 99 2.0 HDI 170.000 kms which will cost me around 2900 euros

http://www.custojusto.pt/Aveiro/Ligeiro ... htm?xtcr=2&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What would be your advise? Xantia HDI or C5 HDI
Xantia Estate 1999 2.0 HDI 110
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Post by Stewart(oily) »

I dont like those prices :(
but that Xantia looks nice, but then I am biased :)
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Post by qprdude »

Not sure about your figures Bill, but on the first page alone the Xantia posts well out number the C5 ones.
The posts on neither cars are probably all for mechanical problems, in fact a couple are for advice on buying, changing seats, sat nav etc.
Perhaps you are unconciously seeking out C5 posts to convince yourself to stick with the Xantia.
Yes, I know, I'm an old pedant, but seriously, count the problem posts on both models on the first page.
The other thing of course is, the C5 is still a "current" car, and will obviously have more problems in future than the Xantia, which is no more. Most of the Xantia owners do their own maintanance and don't often need to ask for advice, whereas a lot of the C5 owners might be much more recent citroen converts.

Time to move on mate, take a chance on the C5
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When we changed our 2.1td xantia we were at a loss at what to replace it with , my wife got a Renault laguna 2 and loved it , I had a couple of C5's both great cars but lacking something that the laguna had , if I was in your position I would sway for a laguna 2 facelift with the 2.0 Dci (150 bhp) engine . When we replaced our laguna 2 we replaced it with a laguna 3 , very very impressive car . When it comes to replace that there's no laguna replacement as they stopped producing them :cry: .

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I liked my Laguna 2, but the C5 X7 is a big leap forward from the phase 1 and facelift C5's. Plus,it has proper suspension, not that spirally metal bits at the corners. :wink:
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bxzx16v wrote:When we changed our 2.1td xantia we were at a loss at what to replace it with , my wife got a Renault laguna 2 and loved it , I had a couple of C5's both great cars but lacking something that the laguna had , if I was in your position I would sway for a laguna 2 facelift with the 2.0 Dci (150 bhp) engine . When we replaced our laguna 2 we replaced it with a laguna 3 , very very impressive car . When it comes to replace that there's no laguna replacement as they stopped producing them :cry: .

Mark
Lag 2 is HIGH on my "Next" list but the 1.9 dci twitch's me, BUT the 2.0 DCI which was in the last of the Lag 2 with the "Megane" front end is actually a Nissan engine, hench its better life, and also at the time was also the Most Powerfull 2.o D engine...

The C5 S2 (C4 headlights and rear larger lights version) with the 2.0 16v 138bhp engine is crawling up my list, but slowly.
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Mine was petrol and didn't have the facelift front.

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Post by citroenxm »

Renault Petrol Engines are fine and strong.. But the DCi issue is that fact that Renault stretched the Service Scedule TOOOO much for the turbo, and I beleve that if the oil changes are cut to 10k, instead of 18k as renault reccomend, they are perfectly fine. Its getting a DCi that has been over looked after... OR get one which has just had a turbo replacement...
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Post by den169 »

Had both Xantia and C5 estate the c5 is a far nicer car to drive etc.
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Post by Citroenmad »

Its not an easy one to answer really. The only model to look for if you are going for an earlier C5 is the 2.0HDi in at least SX spec, which is the best for some toys, ease of ownership and tyre prices etc. The 2.0HDi 110 is superb as is very well documented, as ever it does depend on how that car has been treated so still check for the usual. Timing belts are every 10 years or 100K on that engine, so keep that in mind.

Its fine saying go for a C5II but they are still roughly twice the price of the earlier C5s and do bring their complications too. For example, the 110 can be run with a solid flywheel, the 2.0HDi 16v does not have a conversion available - both 2.0HDi 16v C5s we have had have both had new clutches in our ownership. This by the way is a first, we have never had to replace a clutch on any other car. Anyway, the 16v also has a DPF and if running costs and simplicity is your aim, then this is something you can also do without, again the 2.0HDi 110 wins there.

Likewise if low running costs are what you want don't be tempted by a 2.2HDi 138, its higher running costs is not worth the slight extra performance. The 2.0HDi 16v feels a lot better to me and yet power is similar.

Xantia vs C5, well the Xantia is not getting any yonger but if you find a good and solid one then it should still provide years of sterling service. Parts might be getting a little thin on the ground but that shouldnt become a problem for a good few years yet.

I started with C5s and have ended up with Xantias, I think the Xantia is a better car in many ways but the C5 certainly has its advantages. I'd say as a car then the C5 if I really had to but that doesn't mean I'll be buying another. I don't really enjoy driving C5s, they are a great tool to get about in and they are reasonably comfortable (seats are not a patch on the top spec Xantias imo) but they do lack something. I much prefer the ride and handling balance in a Xantia (hydractive specifically).

Either way, the C5 is not a bad car and you will find a lot more bad press than good, as people often only comment when there is a problem rather than to praise. I've had three C5s and all have been pretty good, though my Xantia HDI has given me better service over the last 10K miles than two of my C5s did.
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Post by bill hughes »

many thanks to everyone who offered their advice on the above subject, especially the person that recommended the Peugeot 406 as an alternative as that was a car that I had considered, they seem to drive well and I am not worried about returning to standard suspension, which prior to the xantia I have been driving on for years, so many thanks again,
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