starter problem.
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starter problem.
problem is sometimes it just spins and doesn't turn the car over, I have removed it and tested as follows.
earthed the motor body, put the positive to the small bolt (bottom 1 on the pic) and both the solenoid and starter spin as expected.
when I put the + to the big 1 on the left it does nothing, surely it meant to so something or is that another earth?
earthed the motor body, put the positive to the small bolt (bottom 1 on the pic) and both the solenoid and starter spin as expected.
when I put the + to the big 1 on the left it does nothing, surely it meant to so something or is that another earth?
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Re: starter problem.
The big terminal on the left is the main battery positive feed, it is normally permanently live straight of the battery but it wont do anything until the small terminal is energised as well.
Earthing the casing & powering just the small terminal should make the solenoid jump out but im surprised the starter actually spins ? Would normally need the big one on the left live & the small bottom one powered up at the same time.
Earthing the casing & powering just the small terminal should make the solenoid jump out but im surprised the starter actually spins ? Would normally need the big one on the left live & the small bottom one powered up at the same time.
Re: starter problem.
My thoughts exactlywheeler wrote:Earthing the casing & powering just the small terminal should make the solenoid jump out but im surprised the starter actually spins ? Would normally need the big one on the left live & the small bottom one powered up at the same time.
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Re: starter problem.
mmm, definately spins and pops out the ring/cog thing.
looks like a new starter then.
looks like a new starter then.
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Re: starter problem.
No! What you describe is a starter in good working order, unless the starter pinion isn't being pushed the full length of the shaft. While the starter's out, and before you carefully refit it, check the ring gear on the flywheel - the toothed ring that the "ring/cog thing" engages with. If it's badly chewed or there's a gap in the teeth, the starter can't get a grip. In this situation, it's often possible to start the car by rocking it in top gear so that the engine is slightly rotated giving the starter a 'good' section of ring gear to start on.john wrote:mmm, definately spins and pops out the ring/cog thing.
looks like a new starter then.
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Re: starter problem.
i'll get a pic of the teeth,
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Re: starter problem.
ok i didnt read the above post properlly, i read it as pics of the cogs on the starter
here's the motor
will try and get pics of the fly wheel later, not sure how easy it will be with limited access.
here's the motor
will try and get pics of the fly wheel later, not sure how easy it will be with limited access.
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Re: starter problem.
When you connect the starter does the pinion go right to the end of the shaft?
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Re: starter problem.
yes.Peter.N. wrote:When you connect the starter does the pinion go right to the end of the shaft?
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Re: starter problem.
It looks very oily. I suspect that oil has got into the one-way clutch and it is slipping.
Sometimes a good wash with a degreasant will help, sometimes (if the clutch is worn) it wont.
Sometimes a good wash with a degreasant will help, sometimes (if the clutch is worn) it wont.
Re: starter problem.
if i wash it do i not run the risk if totally knackering it?xantia_v6 wrote:It looks very oily. I suspect that oil has got into the one-way clutch and it is slipping.
Sometimes a good wash with a degreasant will help, sometimes (if the clutch is worn) it wont.
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Re: starter problem.
Old-Guy wrote: check the ring gear on the flywheel - the toothed ring that the "ring/cog thing" engages with. If it's badly chewed or there's a gap in the teeth, the starter can't get a grip.
hows that look?
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Re: starter problem.
Looks as though the pinion is not fully engaging with the flywheel, you shouldn't get worn teeth with a pre engaged starter. Theorectically the starter shouldn't be able to rotate until the pinion is fully engaged as the motor contacts don't close until that point, so it would seem that something is awry with your starter.
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