Picccy Clutch

shane25 · Post by **shane25** » 20 Jun 2013, 09:43

Hello People

Does any 1 know if the clutch xsara picasso 1.8 and the 2.0 share the same clutch or if it is a different part number??

Thank you

Shane

addo · Post by **addo** » 20 Jun 2013, 09:46

A question you might find answered by Lighty or the Flying Clutchman.

Both petrol motors?

shane25 · Post by **shane25** » 20 Jun 2013, 09:53

addo wrote:A question you might find answered by Lighty or the Flying Clutchman.

Both petrol motors?

basically i bought a clutch on ebay for my 1.8 petrol but it wont go into first correctly (grinds, unless going into 3rd or 2nd first), I've tried changing everything to do with the clutch/gearbox and it still does it, as i really didn't want to pull the box again.

The clutch i got on ebay the description said for 1.8 and 2.0

Shane

Stewart(oily) · Post by **Stewart(oily)** » 20 Jun 2013, 10:06

Sounds like something is wrong with the operating mechanism.

addo · Post by **addo** » 20 Jun 2013, 10:11

I'd be suspecting a release bearing of different height.

shane25 · Post by **shane25** » 20 Jun 2013, 10:14

addo wrote:I'd be suspecting a release bearing of different height.

Actually that is 1 thing i didn't think of

Shane

Post by **RichardW** » 20 Jun 2013, 10:24

service.citroen shows the same clutch and relase fork for 1.8 and 2.0 motors. What make was the e-bay clutch? I rather suspect it is duff somehow. Given the work required, and relative cost, I would only fit a (new, not re-man) Valeo or LUK clutch.

wheeler · Post by **wheeler** » 20 Jun 2013, 12:13

Why was the clutch changed in the first place ? Just worn out, collapsed release bearing etc ? Did the problem exist before changing the clutch ?

flying clutchman · Post by **flying clutchman** » 20 Jun 2013, 12:48

As you've probably worked out, it would have been quicker to pull the gearbox out than mess about with all sorts of other things. Your clutch is dragging almost certainly because it's faulty. You don't say what make the clutch is but the moral is: don't buy clutches off ebay. ECP and GSF sell genuine clutches at a good discount and have lots of branches. Still at least the 2,0l petrol is a pretty straightforward job unlike the 1.6 HDi.

Gibbo2286 · Post by **Gibbo2286** » 20 Jun 2013, 14:30

flying clutchman wrote:As you've probably worked out, it would have been quicker to pull the gearbox out than mess about with all sorts of other things. Your clutch is dragging almost certainly because it's faulty. You don't say what make the clutch is but the moral is: don't buy clutches off ebay. ECP and GSF sell genuine clutches at a good discount and have lots of branches. Still at least the 2,0l petrol is a pretty straightforward job unlike the 1.6 HDi.

Or because whoever fitted it let the gearbox hang on it and distorted the disc hub.

flying clutchman · Post by **flying clutchman** » 20 Jun 2013, 17:09

Gibbo2286 wrote:
flying clutchman wrote:As you've probably worked out, it would have been quicker to pull the gearbox out than mess about with all sorts of other things. Your clutch is dragging almost certainly because it's faulty. You don't say what make the clutch is but the moral is: don't buy clutches off ebay. ECP and GSF sell genuine clutches at a good discount and have lots of branches. Still at least the 2,0l petrol is a pretty straightforward job unlike the 1.6 HDi.
Or because whoever fitted it let the gearbox hang on it and distorted the disc hub.

You've really got to go some to damage the plate by hanging the gearbox on it. I've had many occassions where very heavy gearboxes have 'hung' on the clutch or had to be inched in and it's always a patterned one which gives problems with dragging.

shane25 · Post by **shane25** » 20 Jun 2013, 18:36

its a valeo clutch kit. I personally originally changed it because the thrust bearing distroyed itself.
when I changed the clutch I had the box fully supported on a hoist until all the bolts were back in.
shane

citronut · Post by **citronut** » 20 Jun 2013, 18:45

here is part No.'s for 1.8 16V

2052 K1
CLUTCH KIT
GEARBOX BE4R UNTIL RPO 10416

2052 62
RP 2052 K1
GEARBOX BE4R SINCE RPO 10417
GEARBOX BE4R

and below are for a 2.0i

2052 K2
RP 2052 K1
CLUTCH KIT
GEARBOX BE4R UNTIL RPO 09934

2052 62
RP 2052 K1
GEARBOX BE4R SINCE RPO 09935
GEARBOX BE4R UNTIL RPO 11025

2052 K9
RP 2052 K1
GEARBOX BE4R SINCE RPO 11026

flying clutchman · Post by **flying clutchman** » 20 Jun 2013, 19:35

Only 2 other suggestions, 1 the most obvious, clutch plate fitted the wrong way round, 2 damaged bearing sleeve. They normally get chewed up when the bearing fails. If it's badly scored it can stop the bearing sliding freely.Oh. 3rd one the bearing isn't located on the arm properly.

shane25 · Post by **shane25** » 20 Jun 2013, 20:10

flying clutchman wrote:Only 2 other suggestions, 1 the most obvious, clutch plate fitted the wrong way round, 2 damaged bearing sleeve. They normally get chewed up when the bearing fails. If it's badly scored it can stop the bearing sliding freely.Oh. 3rd one the bearing isn't located on the arm properly.

Clutch plate was double checked by myself and my father during fitting and the bearing sleeve was new due to the thrust bearing eating it

i'll be taking the box off again over the next few days so i'll see if an octopus or some thing jumps out at me

Shane

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