engine stalled.

[IrfanIbrahim]

it happened twice today where stopping at the traffic light, the engine somehow stop.. And it takes two to three try to start it up again. When braking to full stop, rpm is below 5k estimated about 3k and then the engine stops.. Also noticed the rpm while idle is around 12k, isnt it is abit high? And sometimes the engine rev itself to 19k and stays there for few seconds before declining back to 12k. What could be the prob?

[IrfanIbrahim]

search some old posts about engine cut out/ stall. some might be temp sensor? changed mine few months ago but the sensor appear to be slightly shorter than the old one. is it possible this sensor could create this problem?

[jgra1]

12 and 19k sound quite high more like an F1 car there.. but I know what you really mean..

wonder if it's the idle control valve..

[IrfanIbrahim]

oops sorry im a newb. 1.2k and 1.9k i mean.

is there any other cause beside idle control valve? because my car cannot be diagnose using computer for some wiring problem i suppose..

[jgra1]

there may well be other causes Irfan.. do you have access to a lexia? it should talk to your car ok and may well help at this stage..
others will have different suggestions

[IrfanIbrahim]

The problem is my car cant be read by lexia.. Guess i have to work on the wiring first and get it diagnose. Until then, driving in the city full of traffic lights seems horrifying.
Btw, thanks for advising.

[RichardW]

Crank sensor...?

[Old-Guy]

This is a 1994 2.0i - I believe that all pre-96 (?) Xantiae have a Citroen proprietary diagnostic plug (and the diesels don't have an engine ECU ).

I don't know how much diagnostic data 'early' petrol engine ECU can provide.

[CitroJim]

I don't know how much diagnostic data 'early' petrol engine ECU can provide.

A good bit...

Before we continue, what injection system does it have? If you are not sure, look on the side of the ECU...

It may well have a bearing on what the problem is...

[IrfanIbrahim]

sorry for a late reply, i've been outstation for awhile so had not near the car, however checked the engine bay beside ECU for type of injection but had no idea where or what it will look like. can give more detailed information please. thanks in advance.

[Mandrake]

The engine ECU is in the plastic box behind the right hand headlight next to the air conditioning dryer, (on your left looking into the engine bay) depending on your car there may be more than one ECU there, the engine one is the one with the single big long plug on it. Lift it out (can be done without unplugging it) and check for model numbers or markings on the side of it.

[IrfanIbrahim]

i am still not sure where it is.

[RichardW]

It's the other side of the engine bay....

Alternatively post up the last 8 digits of the chassis number, and we can check on service.citroen.

[IrfanIbrahim]

im being clumsy
however managed to get to the ecu box but still dont know where to refer so here is my last 8 digit chasis number...
001C2538

please check for me
thanks.

[RichardW]

Service.citroen says :

Relevant bits in bold - it tells you twice, to make sure!

My Dad's was Magnetti Marelli, and this had odd running symptoms for a few weeks before the crank sensor died completely and there was no spark at all.

Vehicle characteristics

Vehicle family XANTIA
AS RPO No 06301 CJ 1 0022
Warranty Start Date 17/05/1994
OPB DIL0
General information
PRODUCT TYPE CAR
COMMERCIAL MARQUE/COMPONENT TYPE CITROEN
VEHICLE FAMILY XANTIA
SILHOUETTE 5 DOOR SALOON
TRIM LEVEL SELECTION PACK
ENGINE INJECTION XU10J2
TRANSMISSION BVA4
INTERIOR TRIM TYPE LYNX VELVET "J4"
UPHOLSTERY COLOUR "FY"
GEARBOX (CHARACTERISTICS) BVA 4HP14
OTHER BADGE 2,0 I
BADGE XANTIA BADGE

Vehicle characteristics
TRIM LEVEL SELECTION PACK
INTERIOR TRIM TYPE LYNX VELVET "J4"
UPHOLSTERY COLOUR "FY"
GEARBOX (CHARACTERISTICS) BVA 4HP14
STEERING POWER STEERING

Fuel supply-Engine
ENGINE INJECTION XU10J2
FUEL FILLER CAP FUEL CAP WITHOUT LOCK
FUEL LEAD FREE PETROL
EMISSIONS STANDARD (ENGINE) 15-04 DEPOLL (ENGINE)
REGULATION 70/221 (FUEL LEAKS) WITH ANTI-RETURN VALVE
FUEL VAPOUR RETRIEVAL WITHOUT PETROL VAPOUR RECUPERATION
INJECTION ASSOCIATED VARIANT MOUNTING MAGNETI MARELLI

Gearbox-Driveshafts
TRANSMISSION BVA4
GEARBOX (CHARACTERISTICS) BVA 4HP14
FINAL DRIVE RATIO REAR AXLE HYPOID GEARSET 17 X 65
WHEEL STYLE ALLOY WHEEL BELFAST
SEAL, WHEEL END WHEEL-SIDE JOINT DIAM 17 5
SEAL, DIFFERENTIAL END AXLE-SIDE JOINT JB2A
TYRE (SIZE, TYPE) 195X55X15 TYRES
WHEELS FITTED 6" RIM ROAD WHEELS
WHEEL (TYPE) ALLOY WHEELS

Suspension-Steering-Brakes
ABS W/O ABS BRAKES
REAR ANTI-ROLL BAR REAR ANTI-ROLL BAR DIAM 21
STEERING POWER STEERING
FRONT ANTI-ROLL BAR FRONT ANTI-ROLL BAR DIAM 22
TRACTION CONTROL WITHOUT ANTISLIPPING
HYDRAULIC STOP WITH HYDRAULIC STOP
HYDRAULIC PUMP PRESS PUMP 6+2 + NON-SINKING
REAR SUSPENSION SPHERE UPPER REAR SUSPENSION SPHERE
ACTIVE ANTI-ROLL W/O ACTIVE ANTI-ROLL
FRONT SUSPENSION SPHERE UPPER "NOK"
MAIN ACCUMULATOR SPHERE UREPAN ACCUMULATOR SPHERE
STEERING TRAVEL STEERING MECHANISM TRAVEL 161
ACTIVE SUSPENSION WITHOUT HYDRACTIVE SUSPENSION

Body fittings
HORNS HORNS-HARMONY
FUEL FILLER CAP FUEL CAP WITHOUT LOCK
REAR SPOILER ASSEMBLY WITHOUT REAR SPOILER
WHEEL EMBELLISHER (STYLE) BELFAST STYLE 15 INCHES
SIDE REPEATER INDICATORS SIDE FLASH-UNIT ASSEMBLY
THIRD BRAKE LAMP WITH EYE LEVEL REAR LIGHTS
WASHER JET WINDSHIELD WASHER JET W/O DEFROST
EXT. REARVIEW MIRROR COMP. FUNCTION WITHOUT INDEXED REAR VIEW MIRROR
ENGINE BAY SOUNDPROOFING BULKHEAD + BONNET SOUND-PROOFING
LIGHT CLEAR GLASS
WINDSCREEN WIPER INTERMITTENT WINDSCREEN WIPER W/O WATER LEVEL INDI
REAR SCREEN WIPER REAR SCREEN WIPER
HEADLAMP WIPER W/O HEADLAMP WIPER
FRONT PANEL BLANK WITHOUT FRONT BUMPER PLUG
FRONT FOGLAMP FRONT FOG LIGHTS
EXTERIOR REAR VIEW MIRROR (DRIVER SIDE) HT EXT RRVW MIRROR EL INT CONTR
EXTERIOR REAR VIEW MIRROR (PASSENGER SIDE) OUTSIDE PASS RRVIEW MIRROR HEATED ELEC CNTRL
SPARE WHEEL STEEL WHEEL + NON STANDARD TYRE
EXTERIOR ACCESSORIES 2 COLOURS EXT ACCESSORIES
SUN ROOF FIXED ROOF
GLASS (APPEARANCE) TINTED

Interior fittings
INTERIOR TRIM TYPE LYNX VELVET "J4"
ANTI-THEFT ALARM WITHOUT THEFT PROTECTION ALARM
REAR HEAD RESTRAINT WITHOUT REAR HEADREST
FRONT HEAD RESTRAINT JOINTED FRONT HEADREST
REAR SEAT SEPARATE FOLD BACK BENCH SEAT
REAR SEAT ARMREST WITH REAR ARMREST
RADIO TELEPHONE WITHOUT TELEPHONE PRE-EQUIPMENT
REAR SEATBELT REAR RETRACT BELT + ABDOMINAL RETRACT BELT
FRONT SEATBELT WEB LOCKING SEAT BELTS
CLIMATE (AMBIENT TEMP) TEMPERATE COUNTRIES
SPEED GRADUATIONS GRADUATION KMS/H
RADIO EQUIPMENT FEED AERIAL RECEIV FRT SPEAKER TWT REAR SPEAKER
DRIVING POSITION RIGHT HAND DRIVE
REMOTE CONTROL REMOTE CONTROL ASSEMBLY
MISC. INT. LAMPS MAP READING LAMP
LOUDSPEAKER W/O LOUDSPEAKERS
RADIO CONTROLS WITHOUT REMOTE RADIO CONTROL
PASSENGER COMPARTMENT SOUNDPROOFING SOUND-PROOF 5KG/M2
SCREENING (BLIND, SIDE SUNBLIND, SUNROOF) WITH INSULATION (CURTAIN,SUN VIS SCR,SUN ROOF)
FRONT PASSENGER SEAT HEIGHT CONTROL WITHOUT FRONT PASSENGER SEAT HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT
DRIVER SEAT CONTROL DRIVERS FRT SEAT MANUAL CNTROL
FRONT PASSENGER SEAT CONTROL PASSENGER FRT SEAT MANUAL CNTR
DRIVER SEAT ADJUSTMENT DRIVER’S LUMBAR ADJUSTMENT
FRONT PASSENGER SEAT ADJUSTMENT W/O PASSENGER LUMBAR ADJUSTMNT
INT. UPHOLSTERY ELEMENTS NOT WEAVED ROOF TRIM + PLIP
FRONT SEAT ARMREST ASSEMBLY WITHOUT FRONT ELBOW REST
COMPACT DISC WITHOUT COMPACT DISC
FRONT WINDOW LIFT SEQUENTIAL CONTROL FRONT WINDOW LIFTER
REAR WINDOW LIFT ELECT CONTR RR WINDOW LIFTER
COURTESY MIRROR DRIVER+PASSENGER OCCULTABLE WITH LIGHTING
OIL GAUGE OIL LEVEL WARNING INDICATOR
HEATING ELEMENT NON HEATED SEAT
RADIO RECEIVER RADIO EQUIPMENT
REFRIGERATION REGULAR AIR CONDITIONNING
CRUISE CONTROL WITHOUT SPEED CONTROL
DRIVER’S SEAT HEIGHT CONTROL PARALLEL DRV HEIGHT ADJ
AIR CON./TEMPERATURE REGULATION WITH SIMPLE REGULATION AIRCON/TEMP
STORAGE (OTHERS) LOWER SETTING BOX FR AND RE DOORS
REAR CARPET REAR TUFTED TYPE CARPET F112
CARPET TUFTED CARPET "F112"
LIGHTING TIMER ADJUSTABLE TIMER
EXTERIOR TEMPERATURE (SCALE) WITHOUT EXTERIOR TEMPERATURE GAUGE
SWITCH NO CODED IGNITION
WATER TEMP INDICATOR WATER TEMP INDIC +RED TELLTALE
LOCKING CONTROL SIMPLE CENTRAL LOCKING
STEERING WHEEL RUBBER STEERING WHEEL 2 BRANCH

Electrical
ALTERNATOR ALTERNATOR 90 AMP
HORNS HORNS-HARMONY
BATTERY BATTERY L2 300
REMOTE CONTROL REMOTE CONTROL ASSEMBLY
STARTER MOTOR STARTER MOTOR CL 3
SPECIAL LIGHTING WITHOUT PARTICULAR LIGHT
MISC. INT. LAMPS MAP READING LAMP
SIDE REPEATER INDICATORS SIDE FLASH-UNIT ASSEMBLY
THIRD BRAKE LAMP WITH EYE LEVEL REAR LIGHTS
EXT. REARVIEW MIRROR COMP. FUNCTION WITHOUT INDEXED REAR VIEW MIRROR
LIGHT CLEAR GLASS
FRONT FOGLAMP FRONT FOG LIGHTS

Component manufacturers
INJECTION ASSOCIATED VARIANT MOUNTING MAGNETI MARELLI

Miscellaneous
SPECIAL SPECIFICATION STANDARD
ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS DUSTY ATMOSPHERE
DRIVING POSITION RIGHT HAND DRIVE
TRAFFIC SIDE DRIVING ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE
SIDE IMPACTS DOOR WITH REINFORCEMENT
SURFACE CONDITIONS BAD TERRAIN
EXTERIOR ACCESSORIES 2 COLOURS EXT ACCESSORIES
EMERGENCY WARNING TRIANGLE WITHOUT WARNING TRIANGLE
POWER VARIATION (FISCAL RATING) W/O TREASURY RATING VARIATION