C5 2.2 dpf or not

[cjuk81]

What's the tax on them atm, are they around 190? We might go down to one car as a family so it may become our main car. One other question, do you know when it's doing its regeneration, and if so what do you do if its doing it and you get to the end of your journey, can you just switch it off

[waynedance]

Just taxed mine for the year at £195 and regeneration is done automatically hence the driver has no idea.

[mooseshaver]

, flocked material in front door bins, bla bla bla......

That made me laugh when I saw it in my exclusive. All that extra money over the vtr/sx gets you Fuzzy Felt in the door bins.

[cjuk81]

The exclusive spec looks good, but does the vtr have dual climate control and has anyone ever found a use for it as it just seems pointless to me lol

[mooseshaver]

It does have dual climate.
Useful for when your wife's illness means she has a different temp requirement from your own.
Also useful again if you have a baby. Stick that side of the car on "ideal" temp for a child, and set yours to whatever.
Also after shopping stick the cold things in passenger footwell and set temp to min on that side and set air to foot well.
The older pre facelift could not send air to one specific area on one side and still be auto in the other.

[citronut]

it looks to me on service citroen all 2.2 MK1 C5's are 138bhp and do show as having a DPF

[cjuk81]

I suppose it might be one of things ill use, but with not having it in my Mondeo atm I've never really thought about its uses I guess. It might be a pre facelift car i might get, just depends on the price. I've seen some with around 90-100k on them in exclusive trim with the 2.2 in, it's just finding one near me that's for sale

[citronut]

i might be wrong but i thought the 2.2 engine is more prone to breaking than the 2.1's

[cjuk81]

Ah right, breaking in what way?

[cachaciero]

Seems that there is one issue that needs clarifying, the majority of early 2.2's had auto boxes, manuals particularly in the higher trim levels are much harder to find.
Fuel consumption as quoted by several owners seems to be very variable on both Auto and Manual versions. 28-35 town and 38 -42 motorway for auto boxes would seem to cover most of the figures I've seen quoted and 33-38 town and 45-50 Motorway for manual boxes. This difference in consumption is reflected in the VED the Auto costing twice as much.
On my autobox estate I see 31/32 consistently on a 16 mile mixed country road / Motorway route to work, on the motorway 39-41.Do I think that is good? well no but I can't find anything obviously wrong, however I do get the impression that later cars 2004 on are better in this respect, it always seems to be owners of early cars that seem to have the concerns about fuel consumption.
DPF ,if the Eolys has been kept topped up and the Eolys injection system has been working correctly then the filter should last it's design life and then some and even then can probably be recovered with a pressure backwash. However the early cars did have numerous problems with the Eolys injection system and I believe that there were at least three varients of pumps/ECU's up to 2004. If Eolys hasn't been injected then the DPF will be choked to some degree, however all is still not lost the filter can be cleaned by burning out the carbon with Oxy Acetylene or Oxy Propane.

Would I recommend buying an early 2.2? probably not, by 2004 the DPF system had been sorted and I suspect that some other changes to engine management had been made though I can't produce any evidence to that effect.
An early 2.2 with the DPF removed? probably not, it seems to me that those people who have done the mod and report improved fuel consumption are comparing the consumption with a car which already had a choked filter, the pressure drop across a clean filter is very low. Yes exhaust wise there will not be any future maintenance requirement and it is one thing less to worry about (probably) but I still come back to my suspicion that there were other changes made to later cars which improved the fuel consumption. The one to really go for, at least on paper is the 2006 on 173Bhp version, although bearing in mind Mooseshavers experience maybe not Having said that if anybody wants an early 2.2 Auto Exclusive SE I might just have one available................

cachaciero

[waynedance]

I wanted an auto but tax and fuel consumption was the reason for the manual I now drive.

[cjuk81]

It would be a manual that I'm looking at. The only thing about the 2.2 is its only £55s cheaper on road tax than my Mondeo, the 2.0 is 115 a year cheaper on tax, so it does just on that figure look more attractive, just it's down on the torque figure

[Quackers]

If i was going for the 2.2 i would only have the 173 BHP version which is only available on the Mark II C5's and might be upping your costs.... but it is a loverly engine to drive for a diesel

[mooseshaver]

The one to really go for, at least on paper is the 2006 on 173Bhp version, although bearing in mind Mooseshavers experience maybe not
cachaciero

I think I'm a special case. The problems likely linked to the black box recorder that was installed. Hopefully in a few days time I will know what was wrong and have my car back!
Me and cars. I bet if I borrowed the head of Lexus' personal at it would break down with some fault no one could diagnose

[RichardW]

regeneration is done automatically hence the driver has no idea.

Have never noticed our C4 Picasso regenning from the drivers seat, but you can tell if it is / recently has been when you get out, as you can smell it being hot! I also got out with the engine running the other day, and it must have been regenning - stood at the boot and the heat coming out from underneath damn near cut my legs off