Morning Chaps
My Xantia TD is rattling at the front down the 1/3 mile rutted farm track that I live down. Had the front wheels off and notice that the rubber boot is torn on one of the RH joint upper ball hence the rattle.
Had a look on GSF website and I notice the one I need from the pics is the link with the 90 degree at the top but straight down at the bottom where is bolts into the ARB. What are the 90 degree each end ones for? I was going to go for Lemforder but there is only one listed with the correct joint "angles"
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Alan
Ordering New Front Drop Links for Xantia TD Estate
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Re: Ordering New Front Drop Links for Xantia TD Estate
Not quite superloopy...
Early cars had 1 90 one straight, and were smaller thread
Later cars had 1 90 / one straight but were larger thread (most Xantias)
Only very late cars (2000 on) had the two 90 type (these are much longer lived than the earlier type!).
carparts4less had the lemforder ones (later double 90s anyway) and under £20 when I bought some. Don't bother fitting cheap ones - unless you want to do it again within 12 months.
Early cars had 1 90 one straight, and were smaller thread
Later cars had 1 90 / one straight but were larger thread (most Xantias)
Only very late cars (2000 on) had the two 90 type (these are much longer lived than the earlier type!).
carparts4less had the lemforder ones (later double 90s anyway) and under £20 when I bought some. Don't bother fitting cheap ones - unless you want to do it again within 12 months.
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Re: Ordering New Front Drop Links for Xantia TD Estate
I just fitted a pair of lemforder droplinks from carparts4less on my 98 V6, which takes the larger thread but still has the straight joint at the bottom. No problems at all, they arrived quickly, fitted perfectly and seem good quality.
The only gotcha is lemforder don't supply any new nylock nuts or washers with them - so pop down to your local hardware store to get a small bag of nylock nuts and washers! (I got mine from B&Q for a few quid)
carparts4less also list the earlier smaller threaded variety but I don't recall seeing any double right angle joint versions...
You might find this thread of some interest when preparing to do the droplinks:
http://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/v ... =3&t=40662" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The only gotcha is lemforder don't supply any new nylock nuts or washers with them - so pop down to your local hardware store to get a small bag of nylock nuts and washers! (I got mine from B&Q for a few quid)
carparts4less also list the earlier smaller threaded variety but I don't recall seeing any double right angle joint versions...
You might find this thread of some interest when preparing to do the droplinks:
http://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/v ... =3&t=40662" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Ordering New Front Drop Links for Xantia TD Estate
Anyone have a picture of the double right angled droplinks fitted to a car ? I'm struggling to visualise why a right angled joint at the bottom would be any better than the earlier arrangement of horizontal sway bar and straight balljoint ?
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Re: Ordering New Front Drop Links for Xantia TD Estate
I've just fitted those ones you mention from gsf I think £10.50 each . I slipped the rubber down to see how much grease they put in, it was nothing at all, so I filled them all to the brim with it. Should last a little bit longer that way.
I only do 5 thousand miles a year if that . If I was doing allot more I would go for the better ones mentioned.
I only do 5 thousand miles a year if that . If I was doing allot more I would go for the better ones mentioned.
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Re: Ordering New Front Drop Links for Xantia TD Estate
I use that trick, filling them with grease prior to fitting but with the latest offerings, presumably from China, the rubber perishes within about 12 months and lets all the grease out
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Re: Ordering New Front Drop Links for Xantia TD Estate
how do you get the grease in? do the rubbers just pop off?
ive got to new 1's waiting to be fitted to Berl, might give it a try if i know how to do it.
ive got to new 1's waiting to be fitted to Berl, might give it a try if i know how to do it.
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Re: Ordering New Front Drop Links for Xantia TD Estate
Mine came from there... and they had nutsMandrake wrote:carparts4less also list the earlier smaller threaded variety but I don't recall seeing any double right angle joint versions...
Dunno why they are better but they are - the originals (90 / straight) generally lasted about 60k, mine is still running an original double 90 at 135k (albeit with some play in it) - I only changed the original OS one about 8k ago. I guess if there is a 90 at the bottom then the shock loading direct into the ball is less.Mandrake wrote:I'm struggling to visualise why a right angled joint at the bottom would be any better than the earlier arrangement of horizontal sway bar and straight balljoint ?
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Re: Ordering New Front Drop Links for Xantia TD Estate
I remeber a few years ago my now ex wife used to drive a nice white 4 door Xsara 1.9 DW8 and it rattled - when I jacked up the front the ARB had actually snapped!! and was swinging around!! - I didn't notice a major difference in the handling!! I usually just cut them of with the Grinder, but might try the blowtorch trick!
Ordered 2 Lemforders from Carparts 4less - £18.90 each freeP&P
Cheers
Ordered 2 Lemforders from Carparts 4less - £18.90 each freeP&P
Cheers
Re: Ordering New Front Drop Links for Xantia TD Estate
My '99 Xantia HDi has drop links with a 90 degree at each end, I also believe there are two sizes of thread, M10 & M12, mine is M12. Delphi are pretty good quality too.
As has been mentioned the main failure mode on pattern links is the rubber boot breaking up and allowing the grease to be washed out. Pity we can't find some good quality rubber boots !
As has been mentioned the main failure mode on pattern links is the rubber boot breaking up and allowing the grease to be washed out. Pity we can't find some good quality rubber boots !
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Re: Ordering New Front Drop Links for Xantia TD Estate
I found that I had to be careful to avoid twisting the rubber boots around during fitting - its not hard to do by mistake, which would lead to the rubber boot failing quick smart. The trick is to hold the centre still with an Allen key and do 90% of the tightening with a big ring spanner, only doing the final tweak with a socket...
Because the boots are clamped tight at both ends they won't tolerate the ball joint being rotated. Once fitted the joints can't rotate (much) in operation.
Because the boots are clamped tight at both ends they won't tolerate the ball joint being rotated. Once fitted the joints can't rotate (much) in operation.
Simon
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