1.9 TD Synergie - 205/65/15 Tyres
Having either lost or destroyed my last remaining Autodata Book
Can anyone tell me the standard factory front wheel " toe " settings please ?
I had the full steering geometries written down , probably in the missing book.
I am esti/guessing at between 5 - 15 minutes toe out ?
Vive ! Le Brain Cell
Thanks.
Synergie / 806 / Ulysee Front Wheel Alignment
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Thanks for Le prompt reply Monsieur Toby. old luv.
Explains why my Mich - No - Win tyres only lasted 15k
( inside scrub - toe out ) currently 1.5 Degrees ! toe out . Yep degrees not minutes , no wonder it turns in rapidelement....
Merci Beaucoup you loverlie leetle tyre Ami's , I recommend you to madame L'Guillotine , mais certainlement.
Still have difficulty getting my head around that figure , every FWD car I have come across has either been zero ( neutral ) or
5 - 10 * minutes toe out .
I will give it a whirl with my spanking new boots , and keep a weather eye , aye .
My Cynical head suggests that some Tyre companies are under instruction to " tweak " the geometry in order to drum up further business ? But it's more likely uncaring incompetence .
Must chase those reds from under the bed......
Explains why my Mich - No - Win tyres only lasted 15k
( inside scrub - toe out ) currently 1.5 Degrees ! toe out . Yep degrees not minutes , no wonder it turns in rapidelement....
Merci Beaucoup you loverlie leetle tyre Ami's , I recommend you to madame L'Guillotine , mais certainlement.
Still have difficulty getting my head around that figure , every FWD car I have come across has either been zero ( neutral ) or
5 - 10 * minutes toe out .
I will give it a whirl with my spanking new boots , and keep a weather eye , aye .
My Cynical head suggests that some Tyre companies are under instruction to " tweak " the geometry in order to drum up further business ? But it's more likely uncaring incompetence .
Must chase those reds from under the bed......
Last edited by Dippy on 07 Jul 2011, 09:52, edited 1 time in total.
Hello Malcolm
I always understood :
Positive Toe ( P) + as the front leading edge of the wheel closer together than parallel
Negative Toe ( N) - as the front leading edge of the wheel further apart than parallel
And that measuring in Degrees and Minutes ( rather than mm) gives a true reading irrespective of wheel diameter ?
But the old grey stuff is depleted now.
Should be Ok with between 8' - 25' minutes Positive + toe in then ?
Many thanks.
I always understood :
Positive Toe ( P) + as the front leading edge of the wheel closer together than parallel
Negative Toe ( N) - as the front leading edge of the wheel further apart than parallel
And that measuring in Degrees and Minutes ( rather than mm) gives a true reading irrespective of wheel diameter ?
But the old grey stuff is depleted now.
Should be Ok with between 8' - 25' minutes Positive + toe in then ?
Many thanks.
i just copied what my AUTODATA disc stated, and that appears to be the same no matter on year,
im no expert when it comes to tracking as i was originaly in the trade as a paint sprayer, but driffted into nuts and bolts,
i also agree on the dont let a tyre and exhaust shop do your tracking,
regards malcolm
im no expert when it comes to tracking as i was originaly in the trade as a paint sprayer, but driffted into nuts and bolts,
i also agree on the dont let a tyre and exhaust shop do your tracking,
regards malcolm
Malcolm, thats basically the same as what I posted. Yours is the range rather than the middle value and a plus/minus figure.
I diasgree to an extent on your comment of tyre and exhaust places. I've found an excellent firm who specialise in just that. They have a Hunter laser alignment machine and seem to know how to use it well.
OT, they can also balance centreless Activa wheels properly as they have made up a custom adapter from two old Coupé V6 hubs (it was made originally for a Coupé but they hubs are the same as Activa ones)
If its one you know and trust then all is well.
Dippy, you understand correctly the difference between positive and negative toe.
I diasgree to an extent on your comment of tyre and exhaust places. I've found an excellent firm who specialise in just that. They have a Hunter laser alignment machine and seem to know how to use it well.
OT, they can also balance centreless Activa wheels properly as they have made up a custom adapter from two old Coupé V6 hubs (it was made originally for a Coupé but they hubs are the same as Activa ones)
If its one you know and trust then all is well.
Dippy, you understand correctly the difference between positive and negative toe.
Toby
Previous:
2004 Peugeot 407 HDi 138 SE Luxury Pack
2001 S2 Xantia HDi 110 SX
2001 Peugeot 406 V6 Coupé
1998 S2 Xantia Activa
2000 S2 Xantia HDi 110 SX
1999 Peugeot 406 2.0 16v Estate
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2004 Peugeot 407 HDi 138 SE Luxury Pack
2001 S2 Xantia HDi 110 SX
2001 Peugeot 406 V6 Coupé
1998 S2 Xantia Activa
2000 S2 Xantia HDi 110 SX
1999 Peugeot 406 2.0 16v Estate
Thanks Guys , I take notice of all points of view , all very helpful thank you.
Laser tracking is when my problems really began , on various vehicles .
Without inference to anyone at all , or their own vehicles particular vehicles , I don't run " modern " cars , or want to either.
Having a trustworthy Tyre Company / Garage is like gold dust .
back to the old Dunlop Optical guage for me , Mes Ami's
Also had a chat with a local taxi firm who have several Synergie / 806 /Dispatch all with 350K + on the clock , interesting reply from the owner :
Don't buy directional tyres .
They have their tyres reversed on the rim every 10K ( at £4 each)
I quote " We have had them tracked, Laser aligned , pos -neg - neutral , upside down , back to ftront , and inside out within reason , tried it all , all of them still scrub ! we get double mileage by reversing the tyre " . ( a few more expletives were added ) He also mentioned that Michelins were the worst in terms of scrubbing and short life .
Makes yer think .
Thanks again chaps .
Laser tracking is when my problems really began , on various vehicles .
Without inference to anyone at all , or their own vehicles particular vehicles , I don't run " modern " cars , or want to either.
Having a trustworthy Tyre Company / Garage is like gold dust .
back to the old Dunlop Optical guage for me , Mes Ami's
Also had a chat with a local taxi firm who have several Synergie / 806 /Dispatch all with 350K + on the clock , interesting reply from the owner :
Don't buy directional tyres .
They have their tyres reversed on the rim every 10K ( at £4 each)
I quote " We have had them tracked, Laser aligned , pos -neg - neutral , upside down , back to ftront , and inside out within reason , tried it all , all of them still scrub ! we get double mileage by reversing the tyre " . ( a few more expletives were added ) He also mentioned that Michelins were the worst in terms of scrubbing and short life .
Makes yer think .
Thanks again chaps .
Re: Synergie / 806 / Ulysee Front Wheel Alignment
Now covered a few K since re - tracking to FCF members advice , big improvement in "feel" and tends not to dive into corners now , constantly checking tyres for scrub / uneven wear - none detected - yet ?
I am an exponent of enthusiastic cornering though , which in a syn' can alarm other road users / passengers.
I bought two budget - ish tyres when replacing the Michelins - BIG Mistake , 2 for the price of 1 appealed at the time , the lack of grip in wet weather is bordering on criminal - slows yer down though....
Get what yer pay for ? probably. I also failed to consider that the Mich's were pretty good in the snow too for a normal tyre.
I am an exponent of enthusiastic cornering though , which in a syn' can alarm other road users / passengers.
I bought two budget - ish tyres when replacing the Michelins - BIG Mistake , 2 for the price of 1 appealed at the time , the lack of grip in wet weather is bordering on criminal - slows yer down though....
Get what yer pay for ? probably. I also failed to consider that the Mich's were pretty good in the snow too for a normal tyre.