Violent bump on cold strting (Xantia Hdi)
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Violent bump on cold strting (Xantia Hdi)
I amgetting a violent bump on cold starting. So that's every morning. Afterthe first start of the day future starts are OK.
Suspect an engine mount.
Likely to be one in particular?
Easy to change?
Car is year 2000 Hdi90 with 59000miles. I am also becoming aware that battery hasn't long to live.
Suspect an engine mount.
Likely to be one in particular?
Easy to change?
Car is year 2000 Hdi90 with 59000miles. I am also becoming aware that battery hasn't long to live.
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It's likely to be the top mount torque reaction arm, the one that goes between the top mount and the inner wing via a tube. On each end is a donut and these can split. Very common for these to fail on the V6 and 2.0TCT.
Getting hold of the top of the engine and trying to rock it with some force will often show if there's any movement as a result of failed donuts.
If not that then the mower mount is worthy of a check.
Getting hold of the top of the engine and trying to rock it with some force will often show if there's any movement as a result of failed donuts.
If not that then the mower mount is worthy of a check.
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I was going to say the lower one , given that it usually ends up coated in oil.
Its quite easy to change, although you have a choice here:
You can attempt to fit it in situ (not easy without a decent amount of working room) or remove the mount itself and press the new one in (in a vice) trouble is the driveshaft runs through it so that will have to come out, if doing this budget for new driveshaft seal and transmission oil
EDIT... You might be able to narrow it down with throttle on / off at very low speed (careful in this weather obviously) to duplicate it, although this will accelerate (no pun intended) its wear.
Its quite easy to change, although you have a choice here:
You can attempt to fit it in situ (not easy without a decent amount of working room) or remove the mount itself and press the new one in (in a vice) trouble is the driveshaft runs through it so that will have to come out, if doing this budget for new driveshaft seal and transmission oil
EDIT... You might be able to narrow it down with throttle on / off at very low speed (careful in this weather obviously) to duplicate it, although this will accelerate (no pun intended) its wear.
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Over the past month we have felt sorry for people in UK 'cos we have freesat and watch the UK news.
Here it has been unseasonally warm but we have had three or four nights with temps of -4 or so. But we've also had days of +17. It's the cold mornings when the car gives this big shudder on starting.
How do I check for glowplug probs? Are they expensive (retiree, broke)?
Over the past month we have felt sorry for people in UK 'cos we have freesat and watch the UK news.
Here it has been unseasonally warm but we have had three or four nights with temps of -4 or so. But we've also had days of +17. It's the cold mornings when the car gives this big shudder on starting.
How do I check for glowplug probs? Are they expensive (retiree, broke)?
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How could a down'd glow plug cause a vilent bump? HDi's start pretty well without them, then cause a bit of smoke without them..RichardW wrote:T'aint fitted to the 90, Jim....CitroJim wrote:Stuff about the inner wing engine mount
Sounds more like it's down a glow plug or two. What's the temp like in the Dordogne at the moment?
As above the torque link to the strut turret is not fitted on 90bhp engines, just 110bhp's...
Bottom mount then possibly the next suspect..
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So, why is it not fitted to the 90 HDI, but only to the 110 HDI?citroenxm wrote:How could a down'd glow plug cause a vilent bump? HDi's start pretty well without them, then cause a bit of smoke without them..RichardW wrote:T'aint fitted to the 90, Jim....CitroJim wrote:Stuff about the inner wing engine mount
Sounds more like it's down a glow plug or two. What's the temp like in the Dordogne at the moment?
As above the torque link to the strut turret is not fitted on 90bhp engines, just 110bhp's...
Bottom mount then possibly the next suspect..
Paul
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Because of the massive engine Torque difference between them...
I cannot quote figures, but the difference between 90bhp and 110bhp Torque is quite a bit for just a standard top engine mount to take...
Rev a 110bhp HDi engine without the top link on, and theres quite a bit of engine movment...
Paul
I cannot quote figures, but the difference between 90bhp and 110bhp Torque is quite a bit for just a standard top engine mount to take...
Rev a 110bhp HDi engine without the top link on, and theres quite a bit of engine movment...
Paul
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Sorry! Must confess here and now that I've only ever seen 110HDis and never seen a 90. I made an assumption....RichardW wrote:T'aint fitted to the 90, Jim....CitroJim wrote:Stuff about the inner wing engine mount
Always a dangerous thing
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MY GOODNESS!ACTIVE8 wrote:Specifications...................
1.9TD 2.0 HDi (90) 2.0 HDi (110)
Max power (bhp/rpm) 90/4000 90/4000 110/4000
Max torque (lb ft/rpm) 145/2250 151/1900 184/1750
I knew the 110bhp was damm strong, but 184 lb ft at just 1750 rpm!!
No wonder it makes the XUD soooooo slow in gear in comparison... and XUD's produced much higher up the revs too...!
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I don't know much about diesels, but I know that 20 Ohms isn't right. Maybe a current draw of 20 Amps?
BTW, I am in the camp that thinks your problem is engine mount, not glowplugs
BTW, I am in the camp that thinks your problem is engine mount, not glowplugs
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