stiff steering

boeingmech · Post by **boeingmech** » 26 Nov 2010, 17:55

Has anyone experienced stiff steering in the cold weather? My xantia 1.9td power steering is very stiff when cold but after running for a while or driving a mile or so it loosens up, I have checked tyres and hydraulic level and all is OK

Post by **Peter.N.** » 26 Nov 2010, 19:41

Check the tension on the hydraulic pump drive belt.

Post by **quintet** » 26 Nov 2010, 19:48

Oddly my suspension & braking has been feeling like that first thing in the morning this past (cold) week, i just put it down to the nature of the fluid (LHM). I'm actually in my first year/winter of citroen ownership (despite 13+ years of working for them) so I'm slightly unaccustomed to driving such a car early in the morning, in the evenings (after work) the car's usually fine so right now I'm not so bothered although i do need the rear 'pressure' sphere (forgot actual name

) changing soon but thats another story. (car suspension drops on start up & brakes are initially slightly weak), maybe i'll check the filter & fluid condition at some point (ie when i can be ars3d

)

Post by **RichardW** » 26 Nov 2010, 20:12

Old LHM + dirty filters + Cold weather + old tired pump = stiff steering.

At least the later Xantias don't have FDVs which, when combined with the above lead to on/off power steering on cold mornings. Which is interesting!

red_dwarfers · Post by **red_dwarfers** » 26 Nov 2010, 21:37

I've started noticing this, sorts itself out after a couple of minutes though.

Deanxm · Post by **Deanxm** » 26 Nov 2010, 21:56

used to get this, dont anymore though, ive just been out this evening shopping in 0c and the steering was spot on

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Post by **Peter.N.** » 26 Nov 2010, 22:05

The load on the hydraulic pump is very high in cold weather and can make a slightly under tensioned belt slip, once it starts slipping it gets warm and then grips - worth checking out, its happened to me.

Peter

red_dwarfers · Post by **red_dwarfers** » 01 Dec 2010, 20:26

I looked into mine today after I had very little/no power steering. The float on the LHM tank was between the two marks at normal ride height, a bit concerning!
Around 300ml later and bleeding the PAS and suspension we are alright again. Something to keep an eye on

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 01 Dec 2010, 21:16

It cant be a slipping belt, the auto tentioner is VERY strong when in good order... besides, it would squeel... Ridge belts that are on Xantias are far less likley to slip then V belts that the XM used for quite some time.

Ive got this "Heavy" steering problem on this latest Xantia HDi Exclusive, and its the first I hae thats done this.

My 1.9 TD Xantia with 238k is fine, however, she has had another pump fitted, plus hydraflush, plus new LHM in the last 2 years. As for the Xantia HDi I have no idea, my guess is she is over due a hydraflush and new LHM putting in..

Paul

VertVega · Post by **VertVega** » 01 Dec 2010, 22:03

boeingmech wrote:... My Xantia 1.9td power steering is very stiff when cold but after running for a while or driving a mile or so it loosens up, ...

Do you know what type of LHM it has? This symptom sounds like "normal" LHM which tends to become stiff at low temperatures.
It would be perfect in Spain, Italy but now when this unusual cold temperatures in UK (and in Central Europe) nowadays brings
new issues that many drives never had to deal with.
If possible try LHM+ next time which is the right stuff for cold temperatures.

Post by **Peter.N.** » 01 Dec 2010, 22:18

Strangely enough I started the white XM up today for the first time since we had the snow, no hydraulic pressure, no steering and very little in the way of brakes, I drove round the lanes for a couple of miles just to give the battery a bit of a boost, as I was driving back there was a loud intermittent squealing from the engine compartment, yes, the belt was slack.

Its been making a funny noise for sometime which I put down to a noisy tensioner but after tightening the belt it dissapeared, another job done.

I take Pauls point though, the XM has a 'V' belt which has to be very tight, the multi groove type belts are far less likely to slip.

Peter

VertVega · Post by **VertVega** » 01 Dec 2010, 22:48

Good point Peter.N., somehow used to autm. belt tensioner I didn't take into consideration the tensioner factor.

boeingmech · Post by **boeingmech** » 02 Dec 2010, 11:02

I'm glad to hear I am not the only one experiencing stiff steering. I am not sure what lhm is in the system but if it needs topping up I use lhm+. When I can get around to it I plan to flush the hydraulics and put new lhm+ in,as for the fan belt, tension is fine

addo · Post by **addo** » 02 Dec 2010, 11:33

red_dwarfers wrote:I looked into mine today after I had very little/no power steering. The float on the LHM tank was between the two marks at normal ride height, a bit concerning!

Let me guess - you've got a pint of LHM soaking the firewall soundproofing and front carpet?

Last leak I had, ran out of LHM, Dex II and everything else almost; ended up with 750ml of LT71141 in the mix.

Returning to the stiff steering, I have to wonder if it's partially bore/seal wear in the ram, or just a tired pump.

Citroenmad · Post by **Citroenmad** » 02 Dec 2010, 11:51

Old, dirty LHM and filters would cause the stiff steering. If the fluid is old and filters dirty then it should be changed anyway. So that would be the best place to start trying to fix the stiff steering.

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