BE3/TT BE4

citronut · Post by **citronut** » 20 Sep 2010, 18:54

ok so does anyone know what diferences there are between a BE3/TT and a BE4 gearbox,

also what car is/was the BE4 fitted to,

regards malcolm

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 21 Sep 2010, 08:15

BE4 indicating 4 speed??

Visa Diesel had 4 speed, also very early and I mean 1984 reg, 205'ds had 4 speed too...

Paul

jgra1 · Post by **jgra1** » 21 Sep 2010, 09:08

hmm interesting Paul.

Malcolm is referring to a box I gave him alongside yours, a couple of years ago.. mine appeared to be attached to an XUDT9 engine.. if what you and Malcolm is saying is right, someone must have fitted a 4 speed box to a TD

jgra1 · Post by **jgra1** » 21 Sep 2010, 09:46

I googled Be4 and there was some stuff there..

a few posts on here refer to 206 and berlingos?

http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.ph ... try1088081

Post by **RichardW** » 21 Sep 2010, 09:57

BE4 is the successor to BE3 and is fitted to myriad more modern PSA cars - I'm pretty sure our Picasso (2.0 HDi 90) uses a BE4 box - mechanical gear link and hydraulic (push - yay!) clutch.

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 21 Sep 2010, 10:03

Ahhhh assume I have it wrong then...

I guessed it was an earlyer box... Ive never under stood the coding properly, except the end number, 4 for four speed, and 5 for 5 speed.

Paul

jgra1 · Post by **jgra1** » 21 Sep 2010, 10:08

ahh in that case Malcolm, I may have given you a nice box, what shall we say ? £300

citronut · Post by **citronut** » 21 Sep 2010, 13:19

i had a closer look at said box, i found it could select 5 forward and 1 reverse gear's,

also
i looked through some haye ass books of lies and only find mention of the BE/14 and BE/15 box's in pug 309's,

my local freindly gear box man says as long as it looks the same from the outside (levers and brackets the only thing diferent could be ratio's,

regards malcolm

flying clutchman · Post by **flying clutchman** » 21 Sep 2010, 16:23

I've always been a bit puzzled about the difference. As far asI can see the BE4 is just a development from the BE3. The early BE3 had different type clutch arm fittings, but I'm talking pre 87 here. They're both 5-speed, and I think the ratios vary depending upon model. As most of the gearlink arms are pinned, even they can be changed to suit. One advantage the BE4 has is that the gearbox mounting post is fitted on a plate so it's position can be varied to suit the model.

citronut · Post by **citronut** » 21 Sep 2010, 18:54

wewll i have both box's side by side on the floor,

the caseing looks nearly identical, appart from the BE4 has like a bridge across the gape at the topish edge of the bell houseing, were you check timming on petrol modle's, and the BE3 ust has a gap,

both have the sensor point for injaction modle's, and also have two threaded points for either type of mountting post,

the other diference is the BE3 has escape ports for the planet gears, which made there bid for freedom in through the clutch houseing and out through the rear of the diff houseing

regards malcolm

flying clutchman · Post by **flying clutchman** » 21 Sep 2010, 20:25

sounds like an extra you can do without!

citronut · Post by **citronut** » 22 Sep 2010, 21:55

right

i fitted the BE4 box today and had to nosh a chunk of clutch houseing away for it to clear the TDC sensor,

once it was in place and everything all back together, tried cranking it over,

the starter whired very slow the click click click and would not budge anymore,

first thought was flat battery, but even with jump leads and the negative straight on the engine mount, made no diference

second thought the chunk i took out was not enough, so the clutch houseing was squeezing the sensor and jamming the fly wheel,

nope
as the fly wheel turns freely,

the only other thing i can think is its the wrong starter motor even though it bolted straight on, i think i need to know what models this box is fitted to,

i will check it out tomorow

regards malcolm

flying clutchman · Post by **flying clutchman** » 23 Sep 2010, 05:54

I know it sounds like basic stuff but did you put the earth lead back onto the gearbox?

citronut · Post by **citronut** » 23 Sep 2010, 08:32

yep both conected tight with shack proof washers between gear box and terminal,

besides conecting the neg jump lead directly to the engine mount would/should have overcome a bad earth conection,

there is loads of charge in the car's own and the slave battery,

regards malcolm

citronut · Post by **citronut** » 23 Sep 2010, 13:01

SORTED

guess what, body earth's, although i hadnt disconected them,

what i noticed today with ignition on the glow plug timmer was clicking like crazzy,

i had already checked yesterday the two earths on the gear box,

alsao i have not driven it yet but it does go into all gears with engine running whilst wheels are off the ground,

regards malcolm