Xantia - Automatic Transmission Fluid

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Mobil Super Multi-Vehicle ATF is also suitable for use in automatic transmissions that specify the following requirements:
• Audi G 052 025-A2, G 052 162-A1
• BMW LA2634
• LT 71141
• ETL-7045E, ETL-8072B, N402
• Ford MERCON*, MERCON LV
• All 2005 and earlier GM vehicles (Mobil Super DEXRON-VI ATF is recommended for 2006 and newer GM vehicles)
• Honda ATF-Z1*
• Hyundai SP-II, SP-III
• Idemitsu K17
• JWS 3309
• Kia SP-II, SP-III

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Post by xantia_v6 »

2 things to note

1. The spec for Mobil Super Multi-Vehicle ATF is a "recommended" for some applications, but only "suitable" for others, LT 71141 being in the latter category.

2. Mobil also make (or relabel) LT 71141 (included in this product guide) which has a ZF approval, wheras Mobil Super Multi-Vehicle ATF does not.
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Mobile 'one size fits all' ATF :roll:

Sounds like a Dexron based ATF, as such I certainly would not want to use instead of Esso LT 71141 , or Honda ATF-Z1.

Interestingly enough did a quick search on Hyundai/Kia/Mitsubishi SP3, as I was under the impression it was a Dex 3 based fluid, I recall in my FTO days most saying you could use Dex 3 or Hyundai/Kia/Mitsubishi SP3, stumbled upon this Hyundai forum, apparently they don't like "one size fits all, and that size is Dex 3" attitude either. http://www.hyundai-forums.com/t22619-spiii.htm I always suspected the FTO did not have a Dex 3 comparable box, due to how much worse it performed after I changed to dex 3, however everyone on the owners club insisted they did.

*edit* it appears since Dexron 3, and MERCON V, they have been the same fluid, according to what I can find on interwebs.

Still I call shenanigans on this prodcut.
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Post by Sid_the_Squid »

Something very interesting I found out today during a visit to GSF.

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This is a bottle of Mercedes ATF, according to the gsf employee recommended for ALL Mercedes automatics even the current ones.
Nothing sounds to strange about that, same thing Honda do ATF-Z1 for all Honda gearboxes... well nothing strange until you look at the back of the bottle..

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Yes thats right its Dexron 2D!
More proof that Dexron 2 is not Dexron 3!

I mentioned this to the GSF employee, he was already well aware that Dex 2 & 3 are very different oils. Which is quite refreshing to hear compared to the usual auto parts dealer ignorance.

Just thought y'all might be interested.
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Post by CitroJim »

It's an amazing can (or bottle) of worms that's bee opened up here :shock:

It is most valuable that the truth is revealed!

I think in conclusion, if you have a 4HP20 or an AL4 there remains only one fluid to use and that's genuine Esso (or the Mobil branded) LT71141.

I trust GSF will make some indication that their ATF is not suitable for use in the gearboxes of a lot of late Citroen, Peugeot and Renault cars...
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I think in conclusion, if you have a 4HP20 or an AL4 there remains only one fluid to use and that's genuine Esso (or the Mobil branded) LT71141
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Agreed.

Efforts made to converge standards with newer boxes have only partially worked as developments proceeded. I imagine in the future, convergence will occur for many or most new boxes, based on synthetic oils.


Penrite (and possibly Castrol) seek to produce multivehicle oils that meet the required standards. I Mailed Penrite specifically asking about Xantia production of an oil that covers Xantia TD.

These efforts may become more important, as the only/best recourse in the future, and I imagine Castrol and others will be making their offerings.
Dear John,

Thank you for the additional information.

Our recommendation for your automatic transmission is for SIN ATF.
I have attached the information sheet for this product, for your convenience.


Regards,
Alan Jeffery
Technical Department
Penrite Oil Company

Ph 1800 110 080
Ph 61 3 9801 0877
Fax 61 3 9801 0977

________________________________________




Thanks Alan.

It's a Citroen Xantia Turbo Diesel - year 2000, with AL4 auto transmission.

Regards,
John

They sent me the Techinical Data SHeet:

Get it here from my site: https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/download ... w=30bb50c9


From that sheet:
APPLICATION
Penrite SIN ATF is recommended for use in a wide
variety of transmissions where performance better
than standard fluids is required. Applications
include the service fill and top up of automatic
transmissions of most vehicles on the market as
well as power steering systems, and manual
transmissions where DEXRON -II/III type fluids are
specified.
EUROPEAN PERFORMANCE: ZF 4, 5 and 6
speed autos, Mercedes 4, 5 and 7 speed autos,
Aisin Warner FWD autos such as used in Holden,
Volvo, SAAB, VW, Audi, BMW and others so is a one
stop shop for all European cars with conventional
“step-type” transmissions. It may be used where
the below manufacturer part numbers are quoted:
AUDI/VW G052162A BMW 8322 9407807
BMW 8322 9407765 JAGUAR JLM 20238
ROLLS ROYCE PL 31493PA PORSCHE 999.917.547.00
FORD PN 52990 (Europe) LAND ROVER TYK500050
MERCEDES 001 989 2103 (MB 236.10),
MERCEDES 001 989 2203 (MB 236.11)
CITROEN Z 00169756/PR 9376.22 AUDI/VW G060162
PEUGEOT Z 000169756/PR 9376.22
Not sure if those are the part numbers for the AL4/HP20, perhaps someone could confirm.
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Post by addo »

There is a transposition error of the three and seven in those PSA part numbers cited above. Correct PSA P/N is 0000973622.
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mmm... I'll notify them I think, because they were honourable straight communicators. It may be a 'cleric's error', rather than the oil designer's carelessness.
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