1995 Citroen Xantia 1.9TD little help please!

igor253 · Post by **igor253** » 21 Mar 2010, 12:49

My cambelt, drive belt, alternator belt, (I don't know the real name of the belt, but it connects the brakes, power steering and suspension, so I'd say it's the hydraulic pump belt). Anyway it is loose, and I lost all the hydraulic functions (brakes, power steering, and suspension). All I need from you guys is to show me a diagram, how it should look like so I can put it back as it was, and tighten it up. If you can't find a diagram and you have a Citroen Xantia, you could also draw by hand the position of the belt something like your own diagram, scan it and post it up here.

Please help, it is a simple problem but I can't find the diagram anywhere on the net. Thank you so much!

red_dwarfers · Post by **red_dwarfers** » 21 Mar 2010, 17:40

Might be worth taking a look at this link.

Shouldn't affect your '95 Xantia but later 1.9 Turbo D's used the 2.1 TurboD auxiliary (hydraulic pump belt) drivebelt layout described in the BoL.

The cambelt is an altogether different kettle of fish and deals with the running of the engine itself.

EDIT: and welcome to the FCF!

Xantidote · Post by **Xantidote** » 21 Mar 2010, 17:59

Yes, it's the auxillary belt your are talking about, also driving the alternator (and aircon if you have it). I question why you should suddenly have lost belt tension.

My 1.9TD of similar vintage has manual adjustment, but sometime later, Citroen fitted auto-adjusters.

To adjust belt, I remove offside road wheel, and the front parts of inner wheel arch plastic covers (just prise the plastic fixings out with large screwdriver). The manual adjuster will be facing you. The tensioner is held in place by 2 allen bolts, one through the centre of the tensioner's idler wheel, and you'll need to slacken these, say half-1 turn. Then tighten the adjustor as you see fit (sorry, can't presently find appropriate page in Haynes). Can't remember which way you turn the adjuster to tighten, but should be obvious when you see it.

If this is the original tensioner, you may wish to spin the adjuster wheel by hand to check bearings sound OK. I heard funny noises from mine whilst engine ticking over (when about 12 years old and 130k), and subsequently found the bearings noisey & sounded very dry, so replaced it. I tensioned it to what I thought OK, but it made a noise (from the hydraulics pump I guess), so tweaked it bit more & noise disappeared - never touched it since

Post by **CitroJim** » 21 Mar 2010, 18:23

Welcome to thje forum Igor

Haynes describes the aux belt tensioners well enough.. One of the best bits of the Xantia Haynes manual possibly!

If you need, I could do some scans of the relevant paragraphs...

One important thing is the pages in the Haynes Manual is for an air con-equipped 1.9TD. If yours is non-aircon, it's slightly different again.

Martin Beevers · Post by **Martin Beevers** » 21 Mar 2010, 20:13

Hi Igor,
This is the diagram Jim is telling you about.

It shows the air con wheel at the top and it's adjusting roller.

If your car hasn't got air con then the belt will come off the bottom of the manually adjusted roller (no 2) and go over the top of the crank shaft pulley.

Hope this helps

igor253 · Post by **igor253** » 22 Mar 2010, 01:12

Ok, you guys are amazing, you just solved and saved me from spending tons of money, just read this, you are not gonna BELIEVE IT!

First of all, the amazing guy that posted the diagram of the belt, I couldn't recognize my engine, the diagram did't fit the engine in any way. Then I searched the net a bit more and it started making sense. The so called stupid, dumbass, mechanic removed the aircon, manually adjusted roller, and replaced the automatically adjusted roller that I already replaced not so long ago and it is in perfect shape. Of course I had to pay for that so called repair a ton of money, I had to change this belt three times in the last 6 months, and it wasn't cheap eather, 120 euros each time, which is not the money thats very easy to come by in this country, after the search and snoop on the net I found out that this belt should be replaced only once every 2-3 years. This is exactly why I registered and searched for online help, that mother****** omg I don't know what to say, I'm so pissed right now. Tomorrow I'm gonna kick that guy's ass. You guys have been a looooot of help, You guys are my heros.
Thank you sososososososososososo much!!!!!!

I'll write back after I'm done with the mechanic tomorrow, that is so low mate, I'm such a nice guy I never screwed anyone, and I was so nice to this guy even tiped him a couple of times, but NOW I am gonna kick the s**t out of him!!!
I just had to quote everyone of you so you would see this.

igor253 · Post by **igor253** » 22 Mar 2010, 01:14

Martin Beevers wrote:Hi Igor,
This is the diagram Jim is telling you about.

It shows the air con wheel at the top and it's adjusting roller.

If your car hasn't got air con then the belt will come off the bottom of the manually adjusted roller (no 2) and go over the top of the crank shaft pulley.

Hope this helps

Ok, you guys are amazing, you just solved and saved me from spending tons of money, just read this, you are not gonna BELIEVE IT!

First of all, the amazing guy that posted the diagram of the belt, I couldn't recognize my engine, the diagram did't fit the engine in any way. Then I searched the net a bit more and it started making sense. The so called stupid, dumbass, mechanic removed the aircon, manually adjusted roller, and replaced the automatically adjusted roller that I already replaced not so long ago and it is in perfect shape. Of course I had to pay for that so called repair a ton of money, I had to change this belt three times in the last 6 months, and it wasn't cheap eather, 120 euros each time, which is not the money thats very easy to come by in this country, after the search and snoop on the net I found out that this belt should be replaced only once every 2-3 years. This is exactly why I registered and searched for online help, that mother****** omg I don't know what to say, I'm so pissed right now. Tomorrow I'm gonna kick that guy's ass. You guys have been a looooot of help, You guys are my heros.
Thank you sososososososososososo much!!!!!!

I'll write back after I'm done with the mechanic tomorrow, that is so low mate, I'm such a nice guy I never screwed anyone, and I was so nice to this guy even tiped him a couple of times, but NOW I am gonna kick the poor out of him!!!
I just had to quote everyone of you so you would see this.

igor253 · Post by **igor253** » 22 Mar 2010, 01:14

CitroJim wrote:Welcome to thje forum Igor

Haynes describes the aux belt tensioners well enough.. One of the best bits of the Xantia Haynes manual possibly!

If you need, I could do some scans of the relevant paragraphs...

One important thing is the pages in the Haynes Manual is for an air con-equipped 1.9TD. If yours is non-aircon, it's slightly different again.

Ok, you guys are amazing, you just solved and saved me from spending tons of money, just read this, you are not gonna BELIEVE IT!

First of all, the amazing guy that posted the diagram of the belt, I couldn't recognize my engine, the diagram did't fit the engine in any way. Then I searched the net a bit more and it started making sense. The so called stupid, dumbass, mechanic removed the aircon, manually adjusted roller, and replaced the automatically adjusted roller that I already replaced not so long ago and it is in perfect shape. Of course I had to pay for that so called repair a ton of money, I had to change this belt three times in the last 6 months, and it wasn't cheap eather, 120 euros each time, which is not the money thats very easy to come by in this country, after the search and snoop on the net I found out that this belt should be replaced only once every 2-3 years. This is exactly why I registered and searched for online help, that mother****** omg I don't know what to say, I'm so pissed right now. Tomorrow I'm gonna kick that guy's ass. You guys have been a looooot of help, You guys are my heros.
Thank you sososososososososososo much!!!!!!

I'll write back after I'm done with the mechanic tomorrow, that is so low mate, I'm such a nice guy I never screwed anyone, and I was so nice to this guy even tiped him a couple of times, but NOW I am gonna kick the poor out of him!!!
I just had to quote everyone of you so you would see this.

igor253 · Post by **igor253** » 22 Mar 2010, 01:15

Xantidote wrote:Yes, it's the auxillary belt your are talking about, also driving the alternator (and aircon if you have it). I question why you should suddenly have lost belt tension.

My 1.9TD of similar vintage has manual adjustment, but sometime later, Citroen fitted auto-adjusters.

To adjust belt, I remove offside road wheel, and the front parts of inner wheel arch plastic covers (just prise the plastic fixings out with large screwdriver). The manual adjuster will be facing you. The tensioner is held in place by 2 allen bolts, one through the centre of the tensioner's idler wheel, and you'll need to slacken these, say half-1 turn. Then tighten the adjustor as you see fit (sorry, can't presently find appropriate page in Haynes). Can't remember which way you turn the adjuster to tighten, but should be obvious when you see it.

If this is the original tensioner, you may wish to spin the adjuster wheel by hand to check bearings sound OK. I heard funny noises from mine whilst engine ticking over (when about 12 years old and 130k), and subsequently found the bearings noisey & sounded very dry, so replaced it. I tensioned it to what I thought OK, but it made a noise (from the hydraulics pump I guess), so tweaked it bit more & noise disappeared - never touched it since

Ok, you guys are amazing, you just solved and saved me from spending tons of money, just read this, you are not gonna BELIEVE IT!

First of all, the amazing guy that posted the diagram of the belt, I couldn't recognize my engine, the diagram did't fit the engine in any way. Then I searched the net a bit more and it started making sense. The so called stupid, dumbass, mechanic removed the aircon, manually adjusted roller, and replaced the automatically adjusted roller that I already replaced not so long ago and it is in perfect shape. Of course I had to pay for that so called repair a ton of money, I had to change this belt three times in the last 6 months, and it wasn't cheap eather, 120 euros each time, which is not the money thats very easy to come by in this country, after the search and snoop on the net I found out that this belt should be replaced only once every 2-3 years. This is exactly why I registered and searched for online help, that mother****** omg I don't know what to say, I'm so pissed right now. Tomorrow I'm gonna kick that guy's ass. You guys have been a looooot of help, You guys are my heros.
Thank you sososososososososososo much!!!!!!

I'll write back after I'm done with the mechanic tomorrow, that is so low mate, I'm such a nice guy I never screwed anyone, and I was so nice to this guy even tiped him a couple of times, but NOW I am gonna kick the poor out of him!!!
I just had to quote everyone of you so you would see this.

igor253 · Post by **igor253** » 22 Mar 2010, 01:15

red_dwarfers wrote:Might be worth taking a look at this link.

Shouldn't affect your '95 Xantia but later 1.9 Turbo D's used the 2.1 TurboD auxiliary (hydraulic pump belt) drivebelt layout described in the BoL.

The cambelt is an altogether different kettle of fish and deals with the running of the engine itself.

EDIT: and welcome to the FCF!

Ok, you guys are amazing, you just solved and saved me from spending tons of money, just read this, you are not gonna BELIEVE IT!

First of all, the amazing guy that posted the diagram of the belt, I couldn't recognize my engine, the diagram did't fit the engine in any way. Then I searched the net a bit more and it started making sense. The so called stupid, dumbass, mechanic removed the aircon, manually adjusted roller, and replaced the automatically adjusted roller that I already replaced not so long ago and it is in perfect shape. Of course I had to pay for that so called repair a ton of money, I had to change this belt three times in the last 6 months, and it wasn't cheap eather, 120 euros each time, which is not the money thats very easy to come by in this country, after the search and snoop on the net I found out that this belt should be replaced only once every 2-3 years. This is exactly why I registered and searched for online help, that mother****** omg I don't know what to say, I'm so pissed right now. Tomorrow I'm gonna kick that guy's ass. You guys have been a looooot of help, You guys are my heros.
Thank you sososososososososososo much!!!!!!

I'll write back after I'm done with the mechanic tomorrow, that is so low mate, I'm such a nice guy I never screwed anyone, and I was so nice to this guy even tiped him a couple of times, but NOW I am gonna kick the poor out of him!!!
I just had to quote everyone of you so you would see this.

citroenxm · Post by **citroenxm** » 22 Mar 2010, 10:11

That diagram Martin, is the Earlyer first edition of Air COn tensioner setup, which in my opinion is SOOOOO much better setup then the later spring loaded one.

This arrangement was then re employed in a beefier way on the HDi engines!! The manual adjuster was still replaced by the eccentric effort, which is also very tough..

Its the best setup to have! That upper tensioner does not give trouble like the spring one! And if you have a complete assey with that one, it IS transferable onto a car with the Spring!

Paul

falling-out-with-my-car · Post by **falling-out-with-my-car** » 23 Mar 2010, 17:37

why doesnt anyone call it by its proper name its a "serpentine belt" this is why we love our citroens so much all the quirky names for componants.

Bl**dy auxillary belt. No wonder you couldnt find it searching online.

Post by **CitroJim** » 23 Mar 2010, 17:52

falling-out-with-my-car wrote:why doesnt anyone call it by its proper name its a "serpentine belt"

Because none of us can spell it Nigel!!!!!

igor253 · Post by **igor253** » 23 Mar 2010, 19:01

falling-out-with-my-car wrote:why doesnt anyone call it by its proper name its a "serpentine belt" this is why we love our citroens so much all the quirky names for componants.

Bl**dy auxillary belt. No wonder you couldnt find it searching online.

I didn't know what it was called

and I was so suprised after I saw how many parts are missing