Saxo 1.0 or 1.1 - which is best?

Post by **Peter.N.** » 07 Feb 2010, 22:04

How about a 306 diesel, plenty of those about and cheap. I don't think that a 1.1 petrol will be as frugal as a diesel Xantia driven carefully.

tonedepear · Post by **tonedepear** » 07 Feb 2010, 22:37

I realise I'm liable to be lynched saying this on here, but I've not found XUDs to be that frugal. My ZX TD at the minute isn't, and my old xantia wasn't really. Just my experience, mind.

Specially over short journeys, and my daily commute is about 5 miles each way.

That said, I LOVED the xantia. Far better car than my C5.

I'm still hoping for a 1.5D to appear over the next couple of weeks.

Post by **Peter.N.** » 07 Feb 2010, 22:48

What you need then perhaps is a 2.1 Xantia. My wife has a ZX td which gives about 45 mpg on a reasonable journey as opposed to 50 mpg on the 2.1 XM - simple

Short journeys and petrol engines don't make for economy.

evilally · Post by **evilally** » 07 Feb 2010, 22:49

tonedepear wrote:I realise I'm liable to be lynched saying this on here, but I've not found XUDs to be that frugal. My ZX TD at the minute isn't, and my old xantia wasn't really. Just my experience, mind. Specially over short journeys, and my daily commute is about 5 miles each way.

That said, I LOVED the xantia. Far better car than my C5.

I'm still hoping for a 1.5D to appear over the next couple of weeks.

Correct, my 405 returns around 40-45mpg which is exactly it's book figures. Nothing to shout about, my 2.0 litre petrol Clio can achieve that at least, despite being nearly the same weight, and orders of magnitude quicker. Having had a 1.1 106, I think it would do better than any XUD engined vehicle MPG wise.

tonedepear · Post by **tonedepear** » 08 Feb 2010, 07:25

I've stuck one of my guitars on eBay, and offers are unexpectedly flooding in, so perhaps a 1.5d is in range after all.

Citroenmad · Post by **Citroenmad** » 08 Feb 2010, 15:23

I much prefer petrols for short running, i know that they build up condensation in the engine which creates a mayo substance on the oil filler cap etc. However i find them better on fuel and they warm through faster too. WHich is nice on cold days and also means the windows can defrost. So long as your not confined to town driving always and give the car a run, id rather have a petrol. Less gruff and nicer to be in traffic too.

Sounds like a 1.1 would do your daily duties without a problem, 5 miles a day doesnt really warrant a diesel in any case. With regular oil changes and a good run every now and again, i cant see a problem.

My C5 is awful on fuel if i just stay in town or traffic, probably 30mpg around town.

We have a 1.0 Seat Arosa which we all use for town duties, that does 40MPG with town work alone. Its the perfect town car, tiny, good turning circle, warms up fast and its a doddle in traffic. I take this if im just staying in the town, my C5 feels pointless in traffic.

Thing is, you will probably get a worse 1.5D, as they will be higher mileage and more expensive, but for the same money you could get a good 1.1.

I had an AX, it was ok, but tin foil is thicker and feels more substantial! The AX was a very good car in its day, the space and refinement it offered was excellent for a city car, but its had its day now. A Saxo is a better bet.

Post by **DHallworth** » 08 Feb 2010, 15:55

I've got a 2003 Citroen Saxo 1.1 Desire with 13k miles on it that's for sale.

It's been my grans car since it was registered in July 2003.

She upgraded her Saxo 1.0 to this one and commented that this one feels much torquier then the 1.0 did.

This one is blue in colour with electric windows, and a few bits and pieces.

If you are interested then get in touch.

David.

tonedepear · Post by **tonedepear** » 08 Feb 2010, 17:36

Citroenmad wrote:Sounds like a 1.1 would do your daily duties without a problem, 5 miles a day doesnt really warrant a diesel in any case. With regular oil changes and a good run every now and again, i cant see a problem.

Agree, the daily commute would be better in a petrol (although I work 12 hour shifts, so it's actually a 15 seemingly random times a month commute), it's the bi-weekly 150 miles round trips to Stoke, the monthly 150 mile round trips to Boston and the weekly 250 mile round trip to Durham that I'm more financially concerned about.

And the guitar sale pushes my budget up nearer £1000, which I'm hoping would be solid Saxo D money. Or failing that, solid 106 D money. Is there' anything to choose between them apart from the elderly dashboard in the pug?

Citroenmad · Post by **Citroenmad** » 08 Feb 2010, 17:39

Thats very low mileage, and must be one of the last Saxos registered?

The blue is a very nice colour, ours was blue too, Posiden blue i think its called. Our old workhorse, holidaying in Scotland:

They were silly money when new, we got that one ^ in 2001 brand new, free met. paint, 5 door for the price of a 3 door, free mats and mudflaps £1000 off the list price, all for £6400. Which lasted over 6 years before we traded it in. Still going well then, and looking like new. I wish we still had it, could do with a little runaround myself!

Certainly one of the nicer small cars to drive in my opinion, a nice ride but excellent handling, though the pedals are a little cramped.

Citroenmad · Post by **Citroenmad** » 08 Feb 2010, 17:58

tonedepear wrote:
Citroenmad wrote:Sounds like a 1.1 would do your daily duties without a problem, 5 miles a day doesnt really warrant a diesel in any case. With regular oil changes and a good run every now and again, i cant see a problem.
Agree, the daily commute would be better in a petrol (although I work 12 hour shifts, so it's actually a 15 seemingly random times a month commute), it's the bi-weekly 150 miles round trips to Stoke, the monthly 150 mile round trips to Boston and the weekly 250 mile round trip to Durham that I'm more financially concerned about.

And the guitar sale pushes my budget up nearer £1000, which I'm hoping would be solid Saxo D money. Or failing that, solid 106 D money. Is there' anything to choose between them apart from the elderly dashboard in the pug?

Have you compared the technical specs for the petrol and diesels?

1.5D = 58bhp
0-60 = 15.7
MPG:
Urban: 40.9
Extra Urban: 65.7
Combined: 53.3

1.1i - 61bhp
0-60 = 12.4
MPG:
Urban: 35.3
Extra Urban: 56.5
Combined: 46.3
^ These are for the later MPI engine. Older engine seems similar with MPG but slightly slower at 14.6

By the time you factor in the slight increase in price between petrol and diesel at the pumps, difference in performance and the fact you might get a better 1.1 for the same money as a reasonable 1.5D, you might be better with a 1.1? Though ive not driven a 1.5D so cant comment on living with one.

The 1.1s are not uneconomical, probably expect around 43-5 average and closer to 50 on a run at reasonable speeds. You very rarely get claimed figures do you, so no doubt the diesels MPG will be slightly lower than the above too.

Not sure how refined the 1.5D Saxos are?

No, very little difference in the 106 and Saxo, just what you prefer and whats available i guess. Though im not sure if the 106 got the MPI 1.1 engine for some reason, which is slower than the above figures.

tonedepear · Post by **tonedepear** » 08 Feb 2010, 18:04

Citroenmad wrote: Though ive not driven a 1.5D so cant comment on living with one.

Nor have I, and I shall have to have a go. My folks' next door neighbours had one from new, and swore by it. (In a good way) which probably colouyrs my judgement. Claimed 70+ mpg on a run, but I've no idea how they were measuring that.

I had an LPG converted 1.2 Clio which I really wish I'd kept now. Didn't much like the car, but I'll never find anything that economical ever again!

Citroenmad · Post by **Citroenmad** » 08 Feb 2010, 18:08

70MPG is impressive, though conditions would have to be right i asume. Cant imagine id get that with it

I used to have an Arosa TDi, which would do over 70MPG on a good run at sensible speeds. Twice, when driving with economy in mind i had 74MPG from it on long drives. However some long drives it got low 60s, MPG seems to depend on a lot of things. Pretty fantastic, and that had a lot of go when you needed it too. They sell like hotcakes now, and for exceptionally high prices too.

Yep, your best bet is see if you can have a try of them, and see what you prefer. There is always lots to chose from

tonedepear · Post by **tonedepear** » 08 Feb 2010, 18:30

I had a mate with a Lupo SDi when they were fairly new still. Was ace, but out of my price range!

Chris570 · Post by **Chris570** » 09 Feb 2010, 07:43

just to add to this,

the 1.0 and 1.1 engines share a lot of componants (certainly service items) infact most of the 8v TU petrols have identical service components, i wouldnt rule out a 1.4 or even a 1.6 as they can be very good on fuel if driven carefully. Definately avoid the 16v though, no matter how well behaved you are it won't do good mpg in comparison.

If it were me looking for something small and good on fuel i would be going for either a 1.1 AX forte or a 1.4 MPI saxo (the 75bhp one)

i think with the XUD engines its a case of driving carefully to get good mpg, it requires thought about mpg when driving (if that makes sense)

Krede · Post by **Krede** » 09 Feb 2010, 15:31

The AX has always done VERY poorly in crash tests. I wouldn't want to drive one.